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What about when they black your eye down to hate,or kick you in the nads..We talking "turn the other cheek"stuff here?
Jesus turned the other cheek..they killed him.God has never forgiven us.
The Bible tells
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Jesus turned the other cheek..they killed him.God has never forgiven us.
turning the other cheek , does not mean we are not allowed to defend our selfs. within reason.
Jesus did not defend himself, physically,because he had to complete what he was sent for, remember pilot, Jesus told him he could call legions of angels to defend him, and that pilot had no power to touch him unless it was permiited .
the very reason Jesus was killed is so God could forgive us, fully, and forever.
Jesus did not defend himself, physically,because he had to complete what he was sent for, remember pilot, Jesus told him he could call legions of angels to defend him, and that pilot had no power to touch him unless it was permiited .
the very reason Jesus was killed is so God could forgive us, fully, and forever.
Why is it "US"? Why not just the Romans?
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It ain't all love thy neighbour and turn the other cheek. Quite a bit of hate crime in there:
Deuteronomy 22: 20-21
Deuteronomy 23:1
Deuteronomy 23:2
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
Leviticus 12:5
Leviticus 21:18-21
Leviticus 26:27-30
Deuteronomy 22: 20-21
Deuteronomy 23:1
Deuteronomy 23:2
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
Leviticus 12:5
Leviticus 21:18-21
Leviticus 26:27-30
now your talking
the christian thing is an outworking of the jewish law and customs, and their tradition
they liked to think God was on their side and would destroy their enemies...which the have accounted for in the old testament...law, prophets and the writings...
this came to an end at the time of the coming of a "messiah" they wouldnt accept
but those who did became followers of Christ..christians as they are called and there are also messianic jews whom i would say share the name christians, but retain the traditions in part of the jewish faith...but dont long for the "third temple" as some jewish sects do...jewishness is a quite broad brush for todays jews...some are messianic, some liberal, some faithful only and some fundamental and then there are the hasidic jews from middle europe in the 18th century
chrisitanity still has the old testament in a cut down form of 39 books...there are many more...and also the new testament 27 books again vastly cut down from the documents and information found at the tiime of the rising of christianity over 300 years until it became diluted and paganised to some part by the romans and greeks...who still are the orthodox church...the church of england became semi roman catholic without the "roman" bit after henry 8th and then by the time of james 1st the bible was authorised.
what the transition did from judaism to christianity was to centralise the appeasement of God by regular sacrifices and regulated celebrations and codes of life style
the transition gradually took place to concentrate on one sacrifice..Jesus..whom i think the cannibals of africa would appreciate..
...of which acceptance of the reason for this act offers forgiveness of sin, providing one believes that in the first place. its not meant to be general and has proviso'sit works by faith in God and acceptance of His grace...
and here is the good part...it was God's plan to have His Son sacrificed as the final effort to get man to keep covenants which were always broken by the jews
1 adam
2 noah
3 abram...latterly abraham
4 moses
5 david
6 Jesus..who was the sacrifice..God's only Son.......remember Abraham. this was considered a formal sacrifice in jewish terms for complete surrender to God...and also strangely the first born in egypt at the time of moses...whom were saved by the blood of a sacrificial lamb daubed on the hebrews door posts avoiding that final plaque......
most of all the biblical narratives up to this point are prophetic and genealogical in import
because what Jesus done was for past, present and future
(snip) they killed him.God has never forgiven us...
It was God's plan all along...""with "hints" of this in the old testament""to have Jesus sacrificed...His only begotten Son.. the standard ultimate sacrifice to the Jew...there were no christians then and not for many many years.
the refused His sacrifice at large but a few didnt...their most powerful speaker Paul carried this message to the gentiles...non jews...and they believed and eventually so did the Roman emperor...320 AD..(snip)
black my eye...that isnt hate...that is an emotion..physical acts may be the result of anger or pure insensitivity and perceived hate or being ruled by mob dynamics...one person cant hate unless they are sure that others do...
if its related to race or creed and manifests itself in physical acts it is the outworking of hate...which even after the physical act the perpetrator feels no gratification...he is in fact beating/hating himself
one interesting point about the gospel narrative is that peter carried a sword and Jesus had balls..how else could He suffer willingly for all...
He smashed up the moneychangers in the temple, who were abusing priveledge..
to conclude...if anyone wants to have a go at me...they will get a surprise...i am not some easy take
"in the name of Jesus" and forgive them...which they will be thankful for.
they spoke a different language then and the customs were relative to which hand they wiped their tails with...no toilet paper then...so the slap on the cheek from the agressors left hand would be interpreted as an insult...if the agressor wanted to harm you they would have used the right hand, with a knife...slapping was for pussycats..
By asking us to turn the other cheek, Jesus is suggesting we ignore things that we do not want, and instead focus on the things that we do want.
Rather than taking 'an eye for an eye', instead Jesus encourages us not to resist evil, because giving our attention to evil just invites more evil into our lives. Likewise, if someone should strike us, rather than retaliating and therefore becoming embroiled in a battle, Jesus encourages us to 'turn the other cheek'. This is not (as some may have interpreted) so that the assailant may strike the other, but indicates that turning and walking away from the potential altercation is the only way to get a desirable outcome.
john 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Hebrews 10:14
because by the one sacrificial offering Jesus has made a way ONCE!!for all, for all time for those who call on Him and are made whole.
repeated sacrifices of animals or children were not what God desired, and certainly not for all time. transitional and imperfect they pre-empted God's final solution to the broken relationship between "man" and Himself.
it is for everyone...the US are all who accept the gift God has given by grace to ALL for ALL time..
the Romans included...the people of Rome..
many of the invading roman army embraced the teachings of Jesus and then became after Calvary believers...they were there?
ps...the cross was a form of execution designed to cause death by asphysiation...nothing biblical
the means of death resembled the suggestion that he who dies on a tree is cursed..was in part fulfilled...judas did as well...by his own hand
the cross was actually T shaped and the person on it was quite close to ground level so passers by could spit on their faces and see their pain...no one died of loss of blood. when the person died they were unable to support themselve via the foot ledge and collapsed...their lungs filled with fluids and they asphysiated...
it was a common roman type of execution...long and painful
ps...if Jesus had of come, say in the time of the french revolution...chrisitans would be wearing guillotines around their necks...
but that would have not been scriptural....the french arent mentioned in the bible and having to sew on a head to a body a bit difficult considering....there had to be a resurrection as well...a whole body
yes that was what I mean, past present and future, Jesus sacrifice for mans sins was finished at the cross, for all sins commited past, present and future. so not just the romans but for the whole world.
...but it wasn't "man's" sins. It was just a few Romans.
that would not makes sense would it
why would God allow romans to crucify Christ, if it was only to forgive a few romans of killing Christ. also don't forget the religious Pharisees perpetrated his arrest, and sentence.
the romans were in need of forgiveness reconciliation to God long before they crucified him, also the whole of mankind ,past present and future sins, all sins were paid for. every crime commited , every evil act, ever done, by man was poured on Christ at the cross. the bible said for 6 hours the clouds around that area where Jesus was being crucified was black, and thunderous. it was God pouring judgement and wrath on Christ for mans sin.
and in exchange we get the chance of full forgivness ,reconciliation to God, and a new life. here now and the next to come, if you believe and turn to him by faith.
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I thought it was the Jews who wanted Jesus crucified because they believed he was a charlatan.
Pontius Pilate was pressurised by the mob and washed his hands of the whole thing or so the story goes.
Isn't this why Christians blame Jews for the death of Jesus and if the Jewish people in the end times want to get into heaven they will be required to convert.
Pontius Pilate was pressurised by the mob and washed his hands of the whole thing or so the story goes.
Isn't this why Christians blame Jews for the death of Jesus and if the Jewish people in the end times want to get into heaven they will be required to convert.
the religious Pharisees wanted him dead, because they saw Jesus as a threat to there power ,money influence, as Jesus was getting a great following due to his words, and miracles.
yes he said , I am innocent of the blood of this just person. but the crowd said let his blood be on our hands.
I don't blame the Jews, Jesus had to be crucified, that is why he came
after Jesus died and rose again, salvation was now for none jews and jews, the requirement to be saved is the same for both.
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