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The end of gas boilers....

Discussion in 'Plumbing and Central Heating' started by stem, 5 Feb 2020.

  1. Alec_t

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    30 mins for the charge itself maybe, but another two hours queueing to use the charge point :).
     
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  2. SandyLyon

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    All these figures that the vehicle manufacturers are quoting will be under laboratory conditions, not when your crawling in traffic with your lights, wipers, heated screen, heater, radio etc on.

    As previously said, the infrastructure needed to go 100% electric, not just the physical charging points (1 or 2 every house, flat apartment, tower block etc) but upgrading of any power plants and distribution grid that will be required, won’t be in place.

    Not all properties have off road parking or designated parking outside the property, then you’ve got all the tower blocks, apartments etc, I can see cables all across pavements, car parks etc.

    For similar reasons (draw on the grid) the gas boiler Replacement scheme will be pushed back.
     
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  3. gassymark

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    Great then I would have to pay for 5 car’s charging at night sounds like a bad deal for the bill payer.

    Mark
     
  4. JohnD

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    only if the total cost was greater than the total cost of running petrol cars.

    If you have 5 cars, then, unless you have five drivers, not many of them will need recharging every night.

    My retired neighbours do very few miles in a week.
     
  5. bernardgreen

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    Back to the future has the solution. Flucks Capacitors and lightning strikes to charge them....

    But seriously the infra-structure needed for even 50% of cars being electric is simply not there and will not be there in the next 10 years.
     
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  6. SandyLyon

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    Potentially, the government stand to lose around £28b per year in fuel duty when petrol and diesel cars disappear from the UK’s roads.

    No real comment from them as to how they are going to recover this money, can’t really increase the electricity tariffs across the board as non car owners would be penalised.

    Maybe separate meters for charging vehicles with its own tariff, which would probably mean some “meter bypassing”

    More likely huge increases in road tax (VED), which will penalise people who only do low mileage.

    It’s going to be painful, watch this space.
     
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  7. dilalio

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    Lots of attitudes and lifestyles need changing whatever the fuel!

    I'm currently standing at a typical retail park and the car park is full... Just to think this shopping would have all been done on the local High Street, with a brief walk, when I was a lad.
     
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    https://www.ft.com/content/fb4eed50-7611-11e9-be7d-6d846537acab

    "The company, whose holdings include a stake in the Bluewater Shopping Centre in Kent, said its assets declined in value by £557m to £13.8bn, led by a 15.5 per cent drop in the value of its retail parks and an 11.7 per cent fall for its shopping centres. The value of the group’s assets had slid by £91m in the previous year."
     
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    And your point is?
     
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    I suspect that even the government will see sense long before their plans to outlaw petrol vehicles comes to fruition.
    I have been in a discussion elsewhere (a different forum) about the possibility of the use of methane as a fuel for transport. Methane can be obtained by the processing of poo from animals (and humans of course!) which, after processing and the extraction of methane, can be used directly as fertiliser. Very useful stuff!
    I believe it was first mooted by and American farmer who produced his own 'processing plant' (not much more than a large container) and produced sufficient methane to run his own farm machinery.
    Engines require a valve which resembles a standard gas valve which attaches to the engine, which can also be switched from methane to petrol at will.
    Very interesting.
     
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    Maybe but Harold Bate, chicken farmer in Devon UK was running vehicles on methane in the late 1960's or early 1970's
     
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    My point is that retail parks are also in decline.
     
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    LPG vehicles have been in existence for many years, yes they run on Propane but no reason they couldnt run on Methane, it is the compressing of Methane to make it viable to sell in liquid form and to turn to gas for burning that is the problem,of course it can be done, but liquid Methane is not as readily available as Propane , I have had two LPG cars and they were brilliant never had a seconds bother with either
     
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  15. JBR

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    Yes. My point was, though, that when petrochemicals become scarce or even more expensive, there are alternatives. Methane as a fuel we can produce on our own without being subject to the control of middle eastern countries and others.

    Even so, when produced on a large scale, you can be assured that the government will impost heavy taxes on its sale. Same if electric vehicles take off, tax the supply of electricity. If they could, they'd tax the air we breathe! It's inescapable.
     
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    Yes, but certain middle eastern countries and others influence how much methane is produced, well by me anyway :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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