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The New Conservatives, the group of “red wall” Tories calling for tighter controls on immigration, have published policy document giving details of their plan.

1) Close the temporary schemes that grant eligibility for worker visas to ‘care workers’ and ‘senior care workers’. This policy will reduce visas granted by 117,000 between those workers and their dependents, leading to a reduction in ‘long-term inward migration’ of 82,000.

2) Raise the main skilled work visa salary threshold to £38,000 per annum. This could reduce LTIM [long-term immigration] by 54,000 migrants per year.

3) Extend the closure of the student dependent route, which allows full access to the job market and is not subject to skill or salary thresholds, to students enrolled on one-year research master’s degrees. Combined with the government’s existing proposal, this could lead to a reduction in LTIM of around 75,000.

4) Close the graduate route to students, so as to stop students staying in the UK after graduating for up to two years without a job offer. This should lead to a reduction of around 50,000 in LTIM per year.

5) Reserve university study visas for the brightest international students by excluding the poorest-performing universities from eligibility criteria. This could lead to a reduction of 49,000 from LTIM.

6) Continue to monitor the reduction in visa applications under the humanitarian schemes and introduce caps on future humanitarian schemes should the predicted 168,000 reductions not be realised.

7) Rapidly pass and implement the provisions of the illegal migration bill, leading to a reduction of at least 35,000 from LTIM.

8) Cap the number of refugees legally accepted for resettlement in the UK at 20,000.

9) Raise the minimum combined income threshold to £26,200 for sponsoring a spouse and raise the minimum language requirement to B1 (intermediate level). This should lead to an estimated 20,000 reduction in LTIM.

10) Make the migration advisory committee report on the effect of migration on housing and public services, not just the jobs market, by treating future demand on a par with labour requirements in all studies.

11) Cap the amount of social housing that councils can give to non-UK nationals at five percent until the number of British families waiting for housing clears.

12) Raise the immigration health surcharge to £2,700 per person, per year.


According to the Home Office, the UK offered protection to 23,841 people coming to the country in 2022.

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Rish! Sunak did promise to get the number down to zero, did he not: how's that workin' out for yer?
 
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This is great: "Reserve university study visas for the brightest international students by excluding the poorest-performing universities from eligibility criteria"

A lot of effort to prevent the most intelligent and ambitious people from staying here.

Then we wonder why there's a brain drain... if only they kept on some of the brighter students and employed them in government.
 
I thought this was more pertinent::cool: Cap the number of refugees legally accepted for resettlement in the UK at 20,000...considering the PM has made it one of the five planks of his administration. Clearly his backbenchers haven't received the memo saying: 'zero migration'. No wonder the Tories are going round in circles.
 
I thought this was more pertinent::cool: Cap the number of refugees legally accepted for resettlement in the UK at 20,000...considering the PM has made it one of the five planks of his administration. Clearly his backbenchers haven't received the memo saying: 'zero migration'. No wonder the Tories are going round in circles.

Aren't migrants & refugees two different matters.
 
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The New Conservatives, the group of “red wall” Tories calling for tighter controls on immigration, have published policy document giving details of their plan.

1) Close the temporary schemes that grant eligibility for worker visas to ‘care workers’ and ‘senior care workers’. This policy will reduce visas granted by 117,000 between those workers and their dependents, leading to a reduction in ‘long-term inward migration’ of 82,000.

2) Raise the main skilled work visa salary threshold to £38,000 per annum. This could reduce LTIM [long-term immigration] by 54,000 migrants per year.

3) Extend the closure of the student dependent route, which allows full access to the job market and is not subject to skill or salary thresholds, to students enrolled on one-year research master’s degrees. Combined with the government’s existing proposal, this could lead to a reduction in LTIM of around 75,000.

4) Close the graduate route to students, so as to stop students staying in the UK after graduating for up to two years without a job offer. This should lead to a reduction of around 50,000 in LTIM per year.

5) Reserve university study visas for the brightest international students by excluding the poorest-performing universities from eligibility criteria. This could lead to a reduction of 49,000 from LTIM.

6) Continue to monitor the reduction in visa applications under the humanitarian schemes and introduce caps on future humanitarian schemes should the predicted 168,000 reductions not be realised.

7) Rapidly pass and implement the provisions of the illegal migration bill, leading to a reduction of at least 35,000 from LTIM.

8) Cap the number of refugees legally accepted for resettlement in the UK at 20,000.

9) Raise the minimum combined income threshold to £26,200 for sponsoring a spouse and raise the minimum language requirement to B1 (intermediate level). This should lead to an estimated 20,000 reduction in LTIM.

10) Make the migration advisory committee report on the effect of migration on housing and public services, not just the jobs market, by treating future demand on a par with labour requirements in all studies.

11) Cap the amount of social housing that councils can give to non-UK nationals at five percent until the number of British families waiting for housing clears.

12) Raise the immigration health surcharge to £2,700 per person, per year.


According to the Home Office, the UK offered protection to 23,841 people coming to the country in 2022.

759.jpg


Rish! Sunak did promise to get the number down to zero, did he not: how's that workin' out for yer?

It's just marketing spin to try distance them from their mishandling and wreckless policies - they are still the same conservatives - blame everyone else for their failures, line the pockets of their mates and leave the country in a worse position than they found it.
 
Aren't migrants & refugees two different matters.
You'd have to ask the Home Office for a definition. I've long given up trying to untangle the semantic knots they've deployed in their explanations. A Ukrainian is a refugee. A Syrian is a migrant. An Albanian is a criminal. You tell me.
 
It isn't hard really.

Refugee - fleeing war or threat to life, possibly having had your home destroyed, friends and family gone etc.
Migrant - leaving your country at freewill to seek a better life
 
You'd have to ask the Home Office for a definition. I've long given up trying to untangle the semantic knots they've deployed in their explanations. A Ukrainian is a refugee. A Syrian is a migrant. An Albanian is a criminal. You tell me.

An asylum seeker (or, "person seeking asylum") is someone who arrives in a country and asks for asylum.
Seeking asylum is a process.
This is everyone's right to do.


A refugee is someone who, in the judgement of the "receiving" country:
- has a well-founded fear of persecution, and
- is outside the country from where that fear might be realised, and
- owing to that fear, is unwilling to seek the protection of that country.


So, someone is seeking asylum until granted refugee status.
Like a child is a child, until they reach adulthood.


A criminal is just that; a criminal.
A criminal can seek asylum, and can latterly be granted refugee status.


IIUC


 
It isn't hard really.

Refugee - fleeing war or threat to life, possibly having had your home destroyed, friends and family gone etc.

If I've read the Refugee Action webpage correctly, the above is not right.

A person can't self-declare as being a refugee.
The meeja can't declare people as refugees.
Only the receiving country can do this.

Again, IIUC.
 
OK, that is probably the official labelling of a person, and can only be done as you say, when the get to the country and are processed, but that doesn't change the reason of their travel in the first place. If your government are dropping bombs on your town, or killing people for having the same political stance, or sexual orientation etc. then you know that you're a refugee, even if no other country has yet given you a piece of paper to confirm it.
 
then you know that you're a refugee, even if no other country has yet given you a piece of paper to confirm it.

But you're not.
It is not helpful to post such, especially when others have asked for the clarification of the definitions..
 
Can a refugee not self-define as such, in the matter of escaping from a warzone it should be clear enough?
The Home Office has muddied the water by naming everyone who crosses the sea in a dinghy as a migrant and making them run through a paper maze in order to prove otherwise. How else are they to get the numbers down to 20,000 a year.
 
Can a refugee not self-define as such, in the matter of escaping from a warzone it should be clear enough?

That wasn't the issue.
The issue was about definitions.
Anyone can self-define as anything I suspect; doesn't mean anyone else has to recognise nor accept their self-determination.
 
But you're not.
It is not helpful to post such, especially when others have asked for the clarification of the definitions..
Not helpful?

Would you also say a new-born boy is not a British male until there is a birth certificate?


United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
https://www.unhcr.org › what-refugee

What is a refugee?​


Refugees are people who have fled war, violence, conflict or persecution and have crossed an international border to find safety in another country.
 
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