Triple A? But for how much longer?

[AronSearle]

Then give us our independence and our oil back matey.
England is an overbearing parasite can't wait to get shot of you lot.

Firstly I was simply stating fact, not wishing to make it a scot bashing contest.

For a monetary union to work, the richer parts have to give to the poorer parts, There is even the occasional talk of having a different currency north/south of England, let alone Wales/Scotland.



As to your comment on parasites, well if you want to play that game...

Let's not forget it was a Scottish prime minister that fudged the finances.

And the two major banks that failed and needed bailing out where the Royal bank of Scotland and HBOS (both based in Edinburgh) NOT English banks.

Now who are the parasites?

The problem only exists because we're playing the bankers stupid game. Tell them to F-off, write off the debt totally and start again with the government issuing currency and borrowing fictional dreamt up money illegal. They can't ask us for something that never really existed can they?

You're right, we should have told those Scottish banks to F-off and let Scotland sink financially into the sea.

You are a silly boy.

And parasites tend to take not give, we give more money than what the oil is worth (and some of it is in international waters FYI).

 

[peaps]

Then give us our independence and our oil back matey.
England is an overbearing parasite can't wait to get shot of you lot.

You don't have any oil it's the Americans.

 

[masona]

Then give us our independence and our oil back matey.
England is an overbearing parasite can't wait to get shot of you lot.

So it's belongs to Scotland and not United Kingdom?

 

[hotrod]

You can add £75m to Scotland's debt that you owe "us". EBT's......you're having a laugh?!?

 

[ABCwarrior]

You plonkers should google "The Money Masters" or anything by Bill Still. It's brilliant watching everyone talk about these debts as if they're real and if something can actually be done to stop the whole system crashing by impoverishing everyone(well, not the rich oligarchs who're ultimately f*cking with our lives) with "austerity" measures.
You don't have a clue about what is really going on and don't have the faintest idea of what money is, what it represents or how it is created. Goodwin is the economic Osama Bin Laden- the boogey man, the fall guy, the bloke to blame. He's a stooge FFS.

Or what the bigger picture is. The Euro HAS to fail, it's part of their long term plan.

This fake debt based economy only exists because we let it. We're all fools....myself included.

 

[ABCwarrior]

So it's belongs to Scotland and not United Kingdom?[/quote]

No, that should read

So it belongs to Scotland and not United Kingdom

Question mark unnecessary, it is a true statement....

 

[masona]

Okay, I'm listening, do you have any evidence?

Are you saying 100% of North sea oil belongs to Scotland?

 

[ladylola]

The oils going to run out within the next couple of decades at most, hardly worth basing an independant Scotland's economy on or for that matter either a UK or English economy on

Have to agree about the debt based economy being at fault, we really need to scrap our fatally flawed economic system with something stable that doesn't involve "inventing" money out of thin air and relying on ever expanding growth to fuel it.

And another thing who voted for these rating agenties and who pays for them?????

 

[ABCwarrior]

And another thing who voted for these rating agenties and who pays for them?????

Damn good point!!

Maybe if all the EU countries could pre-emptively strike back and leave the Euro and go back to their opwn currencies it would be a start.

Who says "globalisation is good"? I'd rather go back to a Scotland, nay even a UK, which had the guts to protect it's own interests. We have plenty of resources for our own population, but in playing this global scam game it makes it financially not viable to tap into them when we can buy coal/steel etc cheaper from China etc.
I'd rather a drop in living standards now without all the throwaway consumer rubbish we get from China and start again, which may take us back to a time of graft and want that was bearable, than wait til the collapse really kicks us in the nuts and find we're back in the dark ages...

As I've said before, all the countries in the world deemed the Axis of Evil have one thing in common- they haven't been raped by the World Bank/IMF/Corporations and Banks of the west, who simultaneously enslave them with crippling debts and take their REAL VALUE resources as payback for numbers on a PC

 

[AronSearle]

The oils going to run out within the next couple of decades at most, hardly worth basing an independent Scotland's economy on or for that matter either a UK or English economy on

30 years approx, with declining production in the next 10-15 predicted.

we really need to scrap our fatally flawed economic system with something stable that doesn't involve "inventing" money out of thin air

Without the creation of new money, you get no growth, new business could not be created without old business being destroyed first to release existing wealth, nobody gets richer, everything stagnates.

Don't you want the poor to get richer?

And another thing who voted for these rating agencies and who pays for them?????

They are essentially private organisations that have opinions, they have no regulatory power, and investors and banks pay for their research.

Would you like to ban private organisations from having opinions?

Maybe you would like rating agencies to be government run, then you can have the government rating agencies saying how what the government is doing is all spiffy?

I'm sure you can see that being worse than the current set-up.

I'd rather a drop in living standards now without all the throwaway consumer rubbish we get from China and start again, which may take us back to a time of graft and want that was bearable, than wait til the collapse really kicks us in the nuts and find we're back in the dark ages...

I notice you didn't comment on how the parasitical Scottish banks were bailed out by english taxpayers?

And as to the above, of course if the collapse doesn't happen you would be taken back into penury lifestyles and many many more deaths (Poverty is the biggest killer).

Hmm, no thanks.

(About oil ownership) Question mark unnecessary, it is a true statement....

Don't really understands Scotland problem with us "Stealing" their oil. You get the money back via the Barnett formula, so it all balances out, cept the Barnett formula won't run out like the oil.

 

[ladylola]

Without the creation of new money, you get no growth, new business could not be created without old business being destroyed first to release existing wealth, nobody gets richer, everything stagnates.

Don't you want the poor to get richer?

Maybe we should ask Joe on this one . Our economy is oil and to a extent debt based. Oil IS going to run out and with it the so called generation of new money, we are just left with debt.
There's nothing wrong with the poor getting richer but under our present system the poor only get richer when the rich have become considerably richer, and at the moment the poor are getting poorer because of the failings of the rich in the first place.
Replace the word stagnates with stable and your statement is much less frightening.

 

[Norcon]

It's brilliant watching everyone talk about these debts as if they're real

If the government borrows conjured up money to say the tune off 20 million per week with the usual "I promise to pay the bearer bla bla bla", to pay pensions then it becomes real. Does it not?
If its not real then why pay the pensions with unreal money?
The pensioners buy real food and pay for real oil and pay for real clothes etc etc. The people who sell these items then lodge these "unreal" readies in their bank accounts which the bank has to honour whether in gold bullion or signing over real estate or some other form of material wealth.

 

[ABCwarrior]

I notice you didn't comment on how the parasitical Scottish banks were bailed out by english taxpayers?

Until we get our independence it was a a UK bank bailed out by UK taxpayers? Can't have it both ways...

But of course it wasn't was it? The other regional/local banks never conjured up the fictional bailout did they? They don't deal with the government directly in that sense, that's the UK's Central Bank that does that. Which is the Bank of England. But that BofE isn't the English/Queens own coffers that created this bailout, the Bank of England is a private covert cartel of international bankers and sweet FA to do with England and it's supposed wealth(stolen from everyone as usual anyway, including us). So if anyone bailed out anyone in reality it came from the Rothschilds/JP Morgan's of the world, not the Queens bulging purse.

Less than 5% of the currency actually exists- if everyone did a Northern Rock and demanded their cash the whole house of cards would collapse because it's all a big fecking fraud...

 

[joe-90]

Well that shows how much you know. When you put your money in the bank it becomes the banks money - not yours. They owe you money - but your money becomes the banks money the moment you hand it over.

 

[AronSearle]

And at the moment the poor are getting poorer because of the failings of the rich in the first place.

Do you deny that everyone overall is richer than 10 years ago, 20 years ago etc?

Every system will have recessions, the cause of recessions changes, but it's always because of human failings, you cannot get rid of human failings and so you cannot get rid of recessions.

"poor" people of today are wealthy compared to the middle class of 50 years ago, The system we currently have has seen our wealth bloom to unimagined levels for most people 100 years ago, and we are richer than 80-90% of the worlds population (We are the 10%).

Judged on that basis, I would rather keep what we have.

Until we get our independence it was a UK bank bailed out by UK taxpayers? Can't have it both ways...

So it (oil) belongs to Scotland and not United Kingdom

No you can't have it both ways you parasitical haggis.

If the oil belongs to Scotland, then so does the banking bail outs.