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no spite required. But it would be ridiculous for the UK to flounce off with no agreements made for sharing of intelligence, customs arrangements, equalisation of standards and so on. As Theresa and the Moggists keep threatening.

But that's what NO DEAL means. Some nutter Brextremists are actually calling for NO DEAL. They want to damage the interests of the UK and the EU.

NO DEAL means you don't have any agreements with the EU. You just row off into the ocean.
 
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no spite required. But it would be ridiculous for the UK to flounce off with no agreements made for sharing of intelligence, customs arrangements, equalisation of standards and so on. As Theresa and the Moggists keep threatening.

But that's what NO DEAL means. Some nutter Brextremists are actually calling for NO DEAL. They want to damage the interests of the UK and the EU.

NO DEAL means you don't have any agreements with the EU. You just row off into the ocean.
Except the Uk goes nowhere...It stays 20miles off France of course!!....And nothing much will change after brexit..All EU hotair,,has been for 40years.
 
Why do so many people make the allegation that if we end up worse off than we are now after negotiating an agreement over something with the EU for after we have left that that is because of spite, or because they want to punish us?

Are they really so thick that they cannot grasp the simple fact that deals done between the EU and non-EU countries are necessarily not as good as ones done between member states of the EU? It isn't spite, it isn't punishment, it isn't pour décourager les autres, it is simply the way things are.
 
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What have I been saying ? Told everyone Armageddon

Lives are at risk ;)

Breakdown of law and order ;)

All those duffers who are remainers are responsible for what will happen
;)
 
Why do so many people make the allegation that if we end up worse off than we are now after negotiating an agreement over something with the EU for after we have left that that is because of spite, or because they want to punish us?

Are they really so thick that they cannot grasp the simple fact that deals done between the EU and non-EU countries are necessarily not as good as ones done between member states of the EU? It isn't spite, it isn't punishment, it isn't pour décourager les autres, it is simply the way things are.

Rubbish.
Typical remainer falling for EU propaganda machine........

given Britain’s prominent position, it is a matter of mutual interest to conclude a bespoke agreement.
https://infacts.org/europol-uk-cake-eat/

"The U.K. is also one of the leading sources of intelligence contributed to Europol's databases on serious and organized crime," said a spokesperson for the agency
https://www.politico.eu/article/eur...fter-brexitvb-law-enforcement-rob-wainwright/

Over the past decade, the UK has done more to shape the agency than any other country:
https://infacts.org/europol-uk-cake-eat/

The UK was the second largest contributor to Europol data systems last year and shared over 7,600 intelligence contributions relating to serious organised crime and counter-terrorism.

Around 40 per cent of the encrypted police intelligence messages that pass through Europol annually have UK crime-fighting bodies either as their recipient, sender or a parties copied into the conversation.

Importantly, Britain also set up and oversees the Child Abuse Image Database, which is considered to be the largest and best data collection of its kind anywhere and which is used to help cleanse the web of sexual photographs of children.

Europol’s current director is a UK citizen and a self-declared “proud Brit”, the agency’s official language is English and many dozens of British police officers work in pivotal roles within its brutalist headquarters in The Hague – facts that raise questions about whether the organisation would in fact be able to continue to operate effectively without Britain’s involvement.

“We are co-driving almost half of the EU law enforcement projects in important areas like trafficking of human beings and firearms, so we are a very major stakeholder in Europol, which is why we think the incentives are in line to try and negotiate an outcome that is as close to the status quo as possible,” Hurd told MPs.

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/ar...ence-database-access-likely-minister-insists/
 
Why do so many people make the allegation that if we end up worse off than we are now after negotiating an agreement over something with the EU for after we have left that that is because of spite, or because they want to punish us?

Are they really so thick that they cannot grasp the simple fact that deals done between the EU and non-EU countries are necessarily not as good as ones done between member states of the EU? It isn't spite, it isn't punishment, it isn't pour décourager les autres, it is simply the way things are.
"The way things are".I would agree if we are talking speed of light or Planck's constant,but we are talking about a bunch of politicians and economics .So the "way things are" really does not apply !It can all be re negotiated.For instance,we buy loads of Champagne.Are the froggies going to pour it down the drain rather than have a chat about the new price????
 
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Planck's constant =
6.62607004 × 10-34 m2 kg / s........Incase you wondering Shedzy...But I guess you already knew that,,along with Pi to 500 decimal points.
 
The UK was the second largest contributor to Europol data systems last year and shared over 7,600 intelligence contributions relating to serious organised crime and counter-terrorism.

Around 40 per cent of the encrypted police intelligence messages that pass through Europol annually have UK crime-fighting bodies either as their recipient, sender or a parties copied into the conversation.

Importantly, Britain also set up and oversees the Child Abuse Image Database, which is considered to be the largest and best data collection of its kind anywhere and which is used to help cleanse the web of sexual photographs of children.

Europol’s current director is a UK citizen and a self-declared “proud Brit”, the agency’s official language is English and many dozens of British police officers work in pivotal roles within its brutalist headquarters in The Hague – facts that raise questions about whether the organisation would in fact be able to continue to operate effectively without Britain’s involvement.

“We are co-driving almost half of the EU law enforcement projects in important areas like trafficking of human beings and firearms, so we are a very major stakeholder in Europol, which is why we think the incentives are in line to try and negotiate an outcome that is as close to the status quo as possible,” Hurd told MPs.

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/ar...ence-database-access-likely-minister-insists/
Is this a block of text that you didn't indent?
After all the fuss you made yesterday!
Tut, tut!

Anyway, I noticed that you cut off your quoted text at a suitable point to suit your narrative. The very next sentence of that source that you failed to quote is
"However, he did not deny that the government was also preparing for a ‘no deal’ outcome under which the UK would be ejected from Europol as Barnier has said it should be."

In addition, that article is nearly a year old, things have moved on, greater understanding of the repercussions have developed since that article was published. Its political leanings are evident and should not be exploited in an engineering perspective.
Although the article does mention that outside the jurisdiction of the ECJ, access to or membership of Europol and its databases would be severely restricted:
"(UK) Information Commissioner Elizabeth Denham has previously suggested the EU would find it hard to grant Britain database access rights if the country quits the European Court of Justice (ECJ)." which is one of TM's red lines.
You can't have your cake and eat it!
 
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For instance,we buy loads of Champagne.Are the froggies going to pour it down the drain rather than have a chat about the new price????
Why would we stop buying French Champagne? We cannot produce enough wine to meet our own requirements, therefore we would want to or need to import wine........from somewhere. Why not France?
But that does not mean that we can demand that it is sold at a price of our choosing.
But your example is a typical nonsensical comment. About half or more than half the price of a bottle of wine is UK tax, whether it is imported wine or home produced wine.
I honestly fail to see how Brexit will have, or can have any affect on whether we buy wine from France, or whether they want to, or are willing to sell it to us.
They same applies to cars from Germany, cheese from Switzerland, beer from Belgium, meat from Ireland, fruit from Spain, etc.

You could argue that these EU countries will have to compete on price with other exporting countries. But price is not the only criteria.
Do you prefer US beer, or Belgium beer?
Do you prefer Korean cars, or German cars?
Do you prefer Argentinian fruit, or Spanish fruit?
Do you prefer Irish meat, or Venezuelan meat?
etc.
Is it cheaper to import meat from Ireland, or Venezuela, cars from Germany or Korea, beer from US or Belgium, wine from France or Australia, etc?
The consumers will decide.
 
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Is this a block of text that you didn't indent?
After all the fuss you made yesterday!
Tut, tut!

Anyway, I noticed that you cut off your quoted text at a suitable point to suit your narrative. The very next sentence of that source that you failed to quote is
"However, he did not deny that the government was also preparing for a ‘no deal’ outcome under which the UK would be ejected from Europol as Barnier has said it should be."

In addition, that article is nearly a year old, things have moved on, greater understanding of the repercussions have developed since that article was published. Its political leanings are evident and should not be exploited in an engineering perspective.
Although the article does mention that outside the jurisdiction of the ECJ, access to or membership of Europol and its databases would be severely restricted:
"(UK) Information Commissioner Elizabeth Denham has previously suggested the EU would find it hard to grant Britain database access rights if the country quits the European Court of Justice (ECJ)." which is one of TM's red lines.
You can't have your cake and eat it!
More rubbish......scaremungering carp from the EU and lapped up by remainers (y)


The UK provide a key function in Europol. Therefore its in the EUs interest to continue collaboration.
 
The UK provide a key function in Europol. Therefore its in the EUs interest to continue collaboration.
Of course it is!
It is also in the UK's interest to continue collaboration.
But if the UK does not want to, what can the EU do about it?
If you want to be in the club, you have to pay the club's membership fees and follow the rules.
If you don't want that, it's your choice.
But don't expect the benefits.
 
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