Ukraine counter offensive

[IT Minion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1641075766921142275

 

[motorbiking]

That might not be far enough if the counter offensive pushes Russian troops away from Bakhmut.
It was a telling picture of President Xi standing shoulder to shoulder alongside Putin this week, and China's peace proposal should be examined more closely.
Ukraine may have to make a compromise in order to end this war; allow Russia's annexation of Luhansk and Donbas to be internationally ratified, then apply for a fast tracked membership of NATO in order to block any future aggression from their neighbour.
The alternative is a long, drawn out war, more destruction and death, with China supplying assistance should Russia ask for it, just as America, the UK and the EU have done for Ukraine.

I can't see them agreeing to that.

Crimea is possibly the only loss that they could accept. Russia will keep coming back for a bit more, if it isn't stopped. If the losses are close to accurate, Russia is running out of weapons and troops fast.

Russia will rapidly bee trying to target the new tanks before they can be put to good use as an attempt to discourage the west from supplying more high end weapons.

 

[Odds]

I can't see them agreeing to that.

Crimea is possibly the only loss that they could accept. Russia will keep coming back for a bit more, if it isn't stopped. If the losses are close to accurate, Russia is running out of weapons and troops fast.

Russia will rapidly bee trying to target the new tanks before they can be put to good use as an attempt to discourage the west from supplying more high end weapons.

Of course they will not agree to that - as this analysis @theCarnegie concludes...

'Certainly, it will not be easy for Beijing to claim the mantle of peacemaker. Already, the United States and its allies have publicly accused the Chinese leadership of discussing potential weapons deliveries to Russia. Recent disclosures in Western media show that not only has China bought oil and gas from Russia, thereby filling Putin’s war chest, it has also continued to supply it with arms components and even contemplated providing it with armed drones and other weapons. Such calculated disclosures suggest that for Beijing, the title of peacemaker will not come without a fight, even as its leaders do their best to stay out of a bigger, bloodier one in Ukraine.'

But a long drawn out conflict isn't in anyone's interest and the longer it goes on the more emphasis will be on finding a solution to Russia's claim to the contested regions as Western economies struggle with economic problems of their own. How much do you think the British taxpayer is paying to subsidise the military and economic aid to Ukraine every day?
A compromise is usually the way out of a stalemate unless Ukrainian forces can force Russia out of its territory and make an accord on its own terms.

 

[IT Minion]

How much do you think the British taxpayer is paying to subsidise the military and economic aid to Ukraine every day?

£6 million a day, or around £35 per person per year.

 

[Odds]

£6 million a day, or around £35 per person per year.

The same amount spent on maintaining migrants in hotels around the UK every day.
Coincidence?
So if we're willing to subsidise Ukraine's war for that, then it seems appropriate we should be spending a similar amount on the victims of these wars.

 

[motorbiking]

Its not the victims of war that people object to housing, its the economic migrants and organised criminal recruits along with feeding a billion£ trafficking industry.

 

[IT Minion]

Its not the victims of war that people object to housing, its the economic migrants and organised criminal recruits along with feeding a billion£ trafficking industry.

You say that, but how many Andy11s are there who are at best xenophobic and hate the idea of any foreigners living here, or at worst racists who'd rather machine gun them indiscriminately.

And as you know, the overwhelming majority of Asylum seekers are given sanctuary. So by outlawing all of them you're ****ting on those victims.

 

[motorbiking]

To conclude that, you have to be fairly selective with the data. Historically, we had a high rejection rate. We have a temporarily high approval rate post Brexit/Covid and a massive backlog, which gives the impression of a low refusal rate. Applicants vs refusals is not really the best ratio.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

How many people do we grant asylum or protection to?

www.gov.uk

The polls say we have a problem

Do Brits think that immigration has been too high or low in the last 10 years?

Generally speaking, do you think the level of immigration into Britain over the last ten years has been too high, too low or about right?

yougov.co.uk

Anyway, I don't want to turn this in to a migrant thread as we have one or two already.

 

[Vinty]

£6 million a day, or around £35 per person per year.

How, much does the, UK spend on filling in Potholes.

 

[IT Minion]

How, much does the, UK spend on filling in Potholes.

Google it yourself.

 

[Vinty]

Its not the victims of war that people object to housing, its the economic migrants and organised criminal recruits along with feeding a billion£ trafficking industry.

The business of business is business.
Please excuse the paraphrasing.
While there is money to be made, there will always be those who will facilitate
The level of illegal migration isn't dictated by the governments response to the problem, it is dictated by global events.

 

[Notch7]

Its not the victims of war that people object to housing, its the economic migrants and organised criminal recruits along with feeding a billion£ trafficking industry.

You deliberately and dishonestly frame them all as economic migrants so you can object to them all.

evidence shows most are genuine

 

[motorbiking]

You deliberately and dishonestly frame them all as economic migrants so you can object to them all.

evidence shows most are genuine

I clearly and deliberately did the exact opposite.

Let me try again..

Its not the victims of war that people object to housing [GROUP A], its the economic migrants and organised criminal recruits [GROUP B] along with feeding a billion£ trafficking industry [GROUP C].

Group A - welcome refugees
Group B & C - unwelcome criminals

 

[JohnD]

Group A - welcome refugees

How do you think refugees get here and are made welcome?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

So if we're willing to subsidise Ukraine's war for that, then it seems appropriate we should be spending a similar amount on the victims of these wars.

Er, but majority of the economic migrants sneaking in on dinghies are young, fit men of fighting age. And they're from Albania. Exactly who is Albania at war with?