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Me feeling outraged? I have more of its happening attitude. Wars are nasty. Mines, hitting infrastructure etc is not unusual. I am concerned about how things will end as far as Ukraine is concerned. I also wonder about the Germany WW aspect - WWI left a festering sore on the planet. Russia going the same way?
These are war crimes by most internationally accepted standards.
 
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Not really comparable
certain dual-use infrastructure elements (such as electrical power, media, and telecommunications facilities).96

The United States targeted electrical power distribution facilities, but not generation facilities, throughout Iraq, according to a senior CENTCOM official. He told Human Rights Watch that instead of using explosive ordnance, the majority of the attacks were carried out with carbon fiber bombs designed to incapacitate temporarily rather than to destroy.100 Nevertheless, some of the attacks on electrical power distribution facilities in Iraq are likely to have a serious and long-term detrimental impact on the civilian population.

Tell me why their water works needed rebuilding and a lot of other stuff as well. Some items were mentioned when the UK said they were not getting their fair share of rebuilding work.

I'm not condoning Putin just pointing out that things are not as simple as you seem to think. Actually it could be argued that Putin should have taken all /most power out as soon as it all started. A Swiss bloke into this sort of thing referred Ukraine's grid hits as a technical war crime as it is dual use. All need it including the military and various factories. Banned weapons also have similarities. Not all countries ban some of the ones that get mentioned. Use is seen from a strategic point of view - to win, minimising body bags figures. Actually the US|A is pretty open about it.

Some bad news from Ukraine anyway. ~50% of the grid now out and it seems gas supply interfered with as well but no details. They were it seems near self sufficient on gas. Also asking people to leave the country if they can.
 
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In Iraq saddam used civilian infrastructure as miliitary
Installations

Anti air craft guns and missiles on hospital roofs and other such buildings
 
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In Iraq saddam used civilian infrastructure as miliitary
Installations

Anti air craft guns and missiles on hospital roofs and other such buildings
It's called urban warfare. Capturing Baghdad was. Ukraine is virtually all urban warfare.
 
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:ROFLMAO: Come on surely you can do better than that.

Dunno what you are on about

Unless you are counting special forces may be

Other than that Afai am aware US troops never entered Baghdad

But if you know different :ROFLMAO:
 
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Ukraine is not all urban warfare. Probably not even mostly in terms of casualties.
True but shelling etc soldiers out of civilian areas is urban warfare and a lot of that goes on. Gains and losses are reported that way. I'd be inclined to think that most troop losses occur when this is going on - both sides. Verbal reports on Lyman mention lots of bodies from both sides lying around in it. A video clip showed mostly Russian dead who had been on the way out in the outskirts.

On Dec 5th the next attempt to limit Russia's income comes in. The Russian oil price cap. The date appears to be down to some countries ceasing to use it at that point. The idea of the cap is to leave little profit. The main control appears to be refusing insurance if it's sold at a price over the cap. The insurance is provided by a limited number of countries. The UK may well figure highly in that. Biden mentioned it some time ago now so I wonder why the delay.

Sunak went to Ukraine promising that the same aid will continue for as long as it takes. Also a delivery of anti missile stuff, anti aircraft guns and some electronic warfare stuff that should help with drones. More specialised training in the UK for troops too. Field medical aid training included too as it was in 2014 but the UK sent people there then. According to USA sources that was mostly street fighting training provided by them as well. For some reason our lot didn't want to mention that. The news clips from the time are still about on the web.
 
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What's not often reported is from where Putin is launching his cruise/drone missiles. Whilst the West is happy to arm Ukraine to defend itself, they wont let Ukraine to use those supplied weapons to target any launch sites based in Russia. A big disadvantage as Putin just sits back taking the easy option of targetting civilian infrastructure.
 
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What's not often reported is from where Putin is launching his cruise/drone missiles. Whilst the West is happy to arm Ukraine to defend itself, they wont let Ukraine to use those supplied weapons to target any launch sites based in Russia. A big disadvantage as Putin just sits back taking the easy option of targetting civilian infrastructure.
Many missiles are sent from Crimea into Ukraine and Putin is forgetting how the Blitz didn't weaken British resolve to fight, neither did it weaken German determination in WWII, so i doubt it will be any different for Ukrainians over the course of this winter: they'll just dig in and maintain a stoic acceptance that this will be the price for resisting Russian aggression.
A price we share with every weapons consignment sent over there.
 
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What's not often reported is from where Putin is launching his cruise/drone missiles. Whilst the West is happy to arm Ukraine to defend itself, they wont let Ukraine to use those supplied weapons to target any launch sites based in Russia. A big disadvantage as Putin just sits back taking the easy option of targetting civilian infrastructure.
A lot of them are air launched, from either Russian, Belarus airspace or over the black sea.
 
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What's not often reported is from where Putin is launching his cruise/drone missiles. Whilst the West is happy to arm Ukraine to defend itself, they wont let Ukraine to use those supplied weapons to target any launch sites based in Russia. A big disadvantage as Putin just sits back taking the easy option of targetting civilian infrastructure.
A lot are launched from ships and subs and via air. Range varies. They have kit that travels about. One for instance has been used over the boarder according to reports. Known range about 500km. These have been seen in Crimea. They are nuke capable according to reports. Air means that very long range isn't needed. There has been plenty of mentions of air launch. Also Ukraine reckons that they have modified surface to air missiles for other uses - range isn't great. The very long range stuff is likely to cost more. Not really clear if many have been used.
 
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