Vegan babies

[trollmaster2000]

Every tree-hugging loony-lefty, however pious and self-righteous, secretly wishes they were a successful capitalist. Most of them are too crippled by their own self-loathing to do anything about it. However as you point out, some, namely fit daughters, can be given a hand out of the quagmire of their situations.

 

[peaps]

I am not saying that Vegan diets are wrong or right - (smelly perhaps)

If you suffer from flatulence your diet isn't balanced.

But seriously.
Lets look at some possible considerations.

A cow eats what - grass?
This has always amazed me that a cow only has a very simple vegatable diet and yet grows FASTER, BIGGER,STRONGER than humans do and has more MUSCLE , BLOOD , FAT than we do. It has more HAIR etc etc - the point being that a cow turns humble grass into blood and bones.

So why can't us humans do the same?
Well firstly we can't digest grass. Our single stomach will only get the preliminary goodness from the grass and will expulse a load of the fibers still containing nutrients.
Secondly if humans ate grass it would be prepackaged a certain length the right colour green washed and full of pesticides (actually no pesticides as grass contains natural pesticides which is why it doesnot have any parasitic insects and another reason as humans we can't digest it.)

Humans can't eat grass because they don't produce any Cellulase enzymes. Cows are Herbivorous.

When cows eat grass they don't eat a prepackaged sanitised version they will also get remnants of soil giving calcim and other nutrients. Grass also has lots of moisture.

So as humans we don't get the full benefit of being a vegetarian.

A vegan or veggie diet doesn't contain grass

And foods of vegatable nature that could support us have to be specially chosen. A great deal more care needs to be taken in what you choose to eat.

Any balanced diet has to be thought out.

If a cow did not have grass but simply ate prepacked iceberg lettuce from sainsbury's it would die. The product would not contain everything the cow needed to survive - five of it's stomachs would become redundant and the nutrients available insufficient.

Cow have four stomachs. this is getting silly.

So if you are to be Vegan you need FAT yes that naughty food word becausewithout FAT you will have poor joints , poor insulation , and muskoskeletal issues.
So you must have pulses.
You can stay vegan and consume fats
If someone is going to be a vegan then they CANNOTbe a fussy eater and MUST eat all the varieties of vegan fayre available to ensure no defficiencies.

"Essential Fatty Acids

The main components of all fats are the fatty acids which might be saturated, monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Fats containing a high proportion of saturated fatty acids are solid at room temperature. These are commonly known as saturated fats and are usually derived from animal sources e.g. lard, suet and butter. Most plant fats are high in either polyunsaturated or monounsaturated fats except palm and coconut fat which is highly saturated.

Saturated and monounsaturated fats are not necessary in the diet as they can be made in the human body.

Two polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) that cannot be made in the body are linoleic acid and alpha-linolenic acid. They must be provided by diet and are known as essential fatty acids. Within the body both can be converted to other PUFAs such as arachidonic acid, or eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).

In the body PUFAs are important for maintaining the membranes of all cells; for making prostaglandins which regulate many body processes which include inflammation and blood clotting. Another requirement for fat in the diet is to enable the fat-soluble vitamins A, D, E and K to be absorbed from food; and for regulating body cholesterol metabolism. "

http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/essential-fatty-acids.aspx

you will find a long list of foods on the page linked.

As humans however and as a growing human then I do presonally consider starting at 18 months given the physiology of humans too early.
A vegetarian will consume milk and eggs however a true Vegan will not consume milk or eggs.

A vegan can get what they need without eating eggs or drinking milk. Milk is designed for calf's and can be dangerous for humans to drink in it's pure unpasteurised form, that's why we banned unpasteurised milk. Everyone is lactoses intolerant to some degree, we just got use to it as a child.

Milk is a vital component of a growing child unless of course you are wet nursing your child with breast milk.
If that is so then you may have a successful nutritional outcome for the child if however the child is not getting breast milk or other milk then to be honest you are gambling with your childs health for the sake of your own vanity.

Cows milk isn't a vital component for a growing child and ALL vegan babies are breast fed

 

[yaleguy3]

Humans don't produce any Cellulase enzymes.

So there is a basic flaw in the plan then...

Also I am sure Vegan 'Babies' are breast fed but till what age?

To be hoped that it carries on until the child is 5 or 6 in the absence of substitutes.

 

[Alarm]

But meat isn't needed in a balance diet and a balanced diet doesn't need to contain meat, I've shown that....

Another one to beg to differ on then, we have both shown benefits. I have also shown a non-benefit of meat eating to be totally fair.
The question was though, what do you think about your situation.

As before I feel you should feed meat. Let the little `un make his own mind up when older.

 

[peaps]

But meat isn't needed in a balance diet and a balanced diet doesn't need to contain meat, I've shown that....

Another one to beg to differ on then, we have both shown benefits. I have also shown a non-benefit of meat eating to be totally fair.
The question was though, what do you think about your situation.

As before I feel you should feed meat. Let the little `un make his own mind up when older.

Yes the topic starter was designed to stimulate debate/discussion but even though both diets can be healthy balanced diets I see no convincing argument to add meat to your diet. I can produce reason why not to however.

Like I have stated, my kids can and do make up their own mind. I do have kids who eat meat but not processed or visit the local mac dee etc.

Food education has been taken on by them and they eat a balanced diet.

 

[peaps]

Humans don't produce any Cellulase enzymes.

So there is a basic flaw in the plan then...

Also I am sure Vegan 'Babies' are breast fed but till what age?

To be hoped that it carries on until the child is 5 or 6 in the absence of substitutes.

The World Health Organization recommends should be exclusively breastfed for the first six months of life to achieve optimal growth, development and health. Thereafter, to meet their evolving nutritional requirements, infants should receive nutritionally adequate and safe complementary foods while breastfeeding continues for up to two years of age or beyond (taken from WHO website). Infants and young children need the nutrient density and the immunological and growth factors that live human milk provides, and that cannot be duplicated in artifical baby milks.

Soy formula for vegan babies is no longer available since they have started adding animal derived D3 from the grease off sheep wool.

Babies don't need formula's unless they have a medical issue.

 

[Alarm]

Any consolation mine avoid fast food also. They much prefer me to make their favourite items. Latest faves are my Thai Green Chicken Curry, Beef in Black Bean. All home made.
Far better than a Yukkie D

 

[wobs]

An interesting read:
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html

[cough]vitamin B12[/cough]

 

[peaps]

An interesting read:
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html

[cough]vitamin B12[/cough]

"However, B12 deficiency is far more common than most health care practitioners and the general public realize. Data from the Tufts University Framingham Offspring Study suggest that 40 percent of people between the ages of 26 and 83 have plasma B12 levels in the low normal range – a range at which many experience neurological symptoms. 9 percent had outright deficiency, and 16 percent exhibited “near deficiency”. Most surprising to the researchers was the fact that low B12 levels were as common in younger people as they were in the elderly."

http://chriskresser.com/b12-deficiency-a-silent-epidemic-with-serious-consequences

Another reason foods are fortified.


"What Every Vegan Should Know About Vitamin B12

Very low B12 intakes can cause anaemia and nervous system damage.

The only reliable vegan sources of B12 are foods fortified with B12 (including some plant milks, some soy products and some breakfast cereals) and B12 supplements. Vitamin B12, whether in supplements, fortified foods, or animal products, comes from micro-organisms.

Most vegans consume enough B12 to avoid anaemia and nervous system damage, but many do not get enough to minimise potential risk of heart disease or pregnancy complications.

To get the full benefit of a vegan diet, vegans should do one of the following:

eat fortified foods two or three times a day to get at least three micrograms (μg or mcg) of B12 a day or
take one B12 supplement daily providing at least 10 micrograms or
take a weekly B12 supplement providing at least 2000 micrograms.

If relying on fortified foods check the labels carefully to make sure you are getting enough B12. For example, if a fortified plant milk contains 1 microgram of B12 per serving then consuming three servings a day will provide adequate vitamin B12. Others may find the use of B12 supplements more convenient and economical.

The less frequently you obtain B12 the more B12 you need to take, as B12 is best absorbed in small amounts. The recommendations above take full account of this. There is no harm in exceeding the recommended amounts or combining more than one option."

http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/b12.aspx

 

[peaps]

"In the March 2012 issue of the Annals of Clinical Biochemistry, researchers confirmed that the traditional test for B12 deficiency is flawed due to the poor sensitivity of the currently used methylmalonic acid assay. Instead, they determined that a new assay which relies upon holotranscobalamin should be adopted in clinical assessments. This conclusion was made after comparing both assays on blood samples from 360 human subjects.

Many vegetarian writers, doctors, and scientists believe that Vitamin B-12 supplements are critical to the health of vegans. I believe this to be pure nonsense. In 1996, Victor Herbert determined that Vitamin B-12 deficiency is rare among vegans, even though most do not take supplemental B-12. His landmark work was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vol. 59, pp. 1213S-1222S. Herbert wrote:"

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Practical/Health/B-12Deficiency.htm

 

[peaps]

P.S You do know that B12 is killed off when heated, don't you?

 

[snico]

P.S You do know that B12 is killed off when heated, don't you?

No its isnt

 

[peaps]

P.S You do know that B12 is killed off when heated, don't you?

No its isnt

Microwave, processed foods are irradiated and cold messes it up also, along with oxygen and light.

B12 is water soluble as we know so it's lost mainly in the cooking process, that what's left.


But we need more than b12 don't we? and neither plant nor animals produce it....

http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/food.htm

 

[snico]

P.S You do know that B12 is killed off when heated, don't you?

No its isnt

Microwave, processed foods are irradiated and cold messes it up also, along with oxygen and light.

B12 is water soluble as we know so it's lost mainly in the cooking process, that what's left.


But we need more than b12 don't we? and neither plant nor animals produce it....

http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/food.htm[/QUOTE]

On average 6% is lost through cooking.

It doesnt occur naturally in foods, but is added to animal feed, and is present in almost all meats

 

[Diane2]

it does.....

http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/foods-high-in-vitamin-B12.php