Wago connector with 0.75mm braided cable

[Stringman_uk]

Hi all
I am building a spider light with 7 outputs.
So I need to join the switched supply to 7 lots of cable. This cable is 0.75mm braided cable.
I was intending to use 2 of 773-108 24A 8-Way Push-Wire Connectors but just saw that it only accepts 1.5mm braided cable.

Is there an alternative method ( dont really want to use choc blox and loop outs) or could i "fold over the cable" and solder it to make it 1.5mm?
Or could I twist 2 of the 0.75mm together and put in one connector?

Thanks in advance

 

[plugwash]

Not sure what you mean by "braided cabled" 773s are suitable for "solid" and "stranded" cable but afaict they are not suitable for "fine stranded" cable. For fine-stranded wires you want lever-style terminals.

Since I last looked though, wago seem to have introduced a 10 position lever terminal, part 221-420

 

[Stringman_uk]

Plugwash.
Sorry - The cable is the "antique style 2 wires braided and twisted" the core are indeed stranded.
It says min size 1.5mm stranded, hen the reason about increasing the width by either twisting two or soldering.
There will be no strain at all on the cables and the box will sit on the ceiling.

 

[skenk]

You don't have stranded cable, you have flexible cable and you need to use the lever wagos (221 series) not the push-in wagos

 

[EFLImpudence]

You don't have stranded cable, you have flexible cable

Surely it will be stranded?

Stranded:

Braided:

 

[plugwash]

Surely it will be stranded?

It will be "Stranded" in the plain english meaning of the word, meaning made up of multiple strands, but I don't think that is what Wago mean when they say stranded.

Some of Wago's push-in terminals are listed as "for solid and stranded conductors" (others are solid core only), while their lever terminals are listed as "for all conductor types" with capacities listed for "solid", "stranded" and "fine-stranded" conductors.

So my conclusion is that when Wago say "Stranded" they mean conductors with a small number of coarse strands, as might be found in SWA, or conduit singles, or larger sizes of T&E.

 

[skenk]

Surely it will be stranded?

Stranded:

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I suppose it is fine stranded wire (that term is used once in section 717 referencing mobile unit bonding and referring to flexible (class 5) wire) but I would call it flexible wire, twisted braided flex in this case. The 'stranded' wago refers to is (typically) 7 strand (class 2) like conduit wire. Lever wagos (other brands exist) or lighting connectors wago 224 range are the thing to use.

 

[morqthana]

Is there an alternative method

Cord-end ferrules.

 

[Ragnar_AT]

Soldering and heatshrink tubing would be an option too. Light manufacturers typically use closed-end parallel crimps but I don’t know where a DIYer could find those.

 

[Stringman_uk]

Soldering and heatshrink tubing would be an option too. Light manufacturers typically use closed-end parallel crimps but I don’t know where a DIYer could find those.

Would that be legal? I guess it would still need to be in a box? I do have solder and heat shrink. I also have the heat shrink crimp connectors
https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-power/p...1433&s_kwcid=AL!5616!3!689656656875!!!network}!1252988897717!&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA1eO7BhATEiwAm0Ee-L7ORSs8HDiQZrRPMROsSOmQbvpT3_MK6YJRG7clz9paOZbGYW4VzhoCiwEQAvD_BwE

which are rated at 12a so this could work (there will be 7 led lamps)

Thanks

 

[jj4091]

Any use https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133806019389?_skw=electrical+crimp+connectors&itmmeta=01JGRJM8907VX7GW1PXHRYNMYK&hash=item1f2775d33d:g:wRoAAOSwep1g3zhi&itmprp=enc:AQAJAAAA4Mxmj+iGvOveHXEBClPb29h1cHSGbYVW8Pc9d--pdOREobU/3J74/xRri1oPJRzkcdVyYWI8p2EpkMZZTB9Zaovc5+gtWMT8LE3CDqpGuff9854tnyGFhYOQebbbJguDFQ3Wc/xVW0UTa7RmXxxou6pNoFHFziuphVMIyUhSlHV29Ds2RkFv2absObvzQHc8++cyt8aDzOQ/tohELT3pN3kEjVEx7BfpdvuPBQMTF4uRF26L/TX08E1T5HKAIPlDnfezsohtKHRikCWTdiddPW6cmeXmjteXkjwLZ/IATqO+|tkp:Bk9SR8yE0ZKGZQ&var=433252394572 scroll to pin type.

 

[sparkwright]

I wouldn't dream of putting two or more solid or stranded cable cores in one output of a wago connector
but
wouldn't be too bothered about twisting two 0.75mm flexibles together, folding over, and putting into one wago levered output.

If anything, it would probably create a better connection.

That said, I often think it's dodgy using lever wagos at a lighting fitting, as it can be a struggle offering it all up to the ceiling, and you might accidently move a lever.
That said, I sometimes cheat, and, shock horror, put a layer of insulation tape around the body of the wago to stop me or someone in the future moving that lever.

Wait for the replies.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I wouldn't dream of putting two or more solid or stranded cable cores in one output of a wago connector
but
wouldn't be too bothered about twisting two 0.75mm flexibles together, folding over, and putting into one wago levered output.

Are you thinking "flexibles" are not "stranded" and why just 0.75mm²?

Edit - Just noticed the comments related to this and OP mentioning twisting two 0.75mm².
I find it difficult to accept that some stranded is not stranded.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Would that be legal?

It is nothing to do with the law but - yes, soldering (properly) is an acceptable method for making inaccessible joints.

 

[JohnW2]

Would that be legal?

There are no laws relating to such matters, other than a very vague one (Part P of the Building Regulations) requiring that all electrical work must be undertaken 'safely'.

There is no specific need for a 'box'. What is required is adequate insulation, and that could probably be achieved by heat shrink etc.