We need more like him.

[EFLImpudence]

I'm not sure where MP's voting for this 'n' that comes into it, except to cloud the real issues in fog.

Wasn't a return to Parliamentary Sovereignty something someone wanted recently?

Where did I hear that?

 

[mikeey84]

And you are making the classic mistake of confusing a referendum with an election.

Did I miss the bit where it was a legally binding referendum?

I thought we were "taking back control" for "parliamentary sovereignty".

Parliament decides what we do as a nation, not non binding referendums. If parliament vote for a deal, then we should support it. That's the whole point. Of having a parliamnet. Don't like it? Write to your mp, or vote for someone else

 

[Vinty]

You are making the classic mistake of not realising the difference between a representative democracy and a direct democracy.

We elect MPs to make decisions based on what' they believe is best for their constituents, not necessarily what they want!

That is not true, the problem is that politicians make decisions on what is good for politicians and then they try to con their constituents into believing that they are acting in their interests.

 

[mikeey84]

That is not true

It is true. It is what we vote for them to do.

Not saying that they always do it mind.

 

[Vinty]

So the wishes of 650 individuals trump's the wishes of 17.4 million individuals.
What was the point of the referendum if parliament ignores the result.
The reason for the referendum in the first place was because parliament couldn't be trusted to reflect the true wishes of the electorate.

 

[Vinty]

Did I miss the bit where it was a legally binding referendum?

I thought we were "taking back control" for "parliamentary sovereignty".

Parliament decides what we do as a nation, not non binding referendums. If parliament vote for a deal, then we should support it. That's the whole point. Of having a parliamnet. Don't like it? Write to your mp, or vote for someone else

What was the point of the referendum then? Did the government explain to the electorate prior to the referendum that no matter what the result parliament would be free to ignore it.

 

[Brigadier]

The reason for the referendum in the first place was because parliament couldn't be trusted to reflect the true wishes of the electorate.

Was it?
More plausible, the referendum was to stop the Tories losing seats to UKIP, by pulling the rug from under the latter.

 

[mikeey84]

So the wishes of 650 individuals trump's the wishes of 17.4 million individuals

Quite clearly not, or we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.

If all 650 agreed we wouldn't have had the referendum in the first place

 

[Vinty]

Was it?
More plausible, the referendum was to stop the Tories losing seats to UKIP, by pulling the rug from under the latter.

If that is that is the case then it proves that parliament doesn't act in the interests of the people.

 

[Brigadier]

I never really thought they would. The system is designed to be that way.

 

[noseall]

If that is that is the case then it proves that parliament doesn't act in the interests of the people.

You are wrong. Seeking ways around a no deal Brexit IS acting with the best interests of the plebs in mind.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

What was the point of the referendum if parliament ignores the result.

The referendum was designed to keep a lid on parts of our population who were upset with various issues. Sovereignty, immigration, etc. The ruling classes expected a definite remain vote win. They misjudged that. They are now performing a pantomime of trying to leave whilst not actually managing it, to placate the "leavers". Anyone thinking that a vote from us plebs will ever change a thing is dreaming.

 

[Vinty]

You are wrong. Seeking ways around a no deal Brexit IS acting with the best interests of the plebs in mind.

Are you making that statement on behalf those who voted leave.

 

[noseall]

on behalf

...of the United Kingdom.

 

[Vinty]

...of the United Kingdom.