Well done wind

[Murdochcat]

There is no doubt that wind energy is part of the mix for the future but anyone saying we won’t need gas turbines, at this time, in the near future are blinkered

What we need to do immediately is break the price we pay from the cost of producing electricity by gas

 

[SPLINE]

Have you got the yearly, rather than just the one-windy-night figures? Set against the cost of these things and the subsidies we all pay?

 

[Si_]

If the country had invested the same amount of money into nuclear research as 'clean energy' since the 80s instead of obsessing over windmills and solar panels, we'd likely be some way to building the first fusion plants. Zero cost energy, completely unlimited, zero operating pollution.

The only problem is that governments don't want that. Just like the biggest profits are from crime, debt and war, the economy also benefits from useless industry.

 

[MNW67]

If the country had invested the same amount of money into nuclear research as 'clean energy' since the 80s instead of obsessing over windmills and solar panels, we'd likely be some way to building the first fusion plants. Zero cost energy, completely unlimited, zero operating pollution.

The only problem is that governments don't want that. Just like the biggest profits are from crime, debt and war, the economy also benefits from useless industry.

Did you read IT Minion's recent post about the problems with neutron radiation. It is not quite as clean as I had always thought.

 

[IT Minion]

If the country had invested the same amount of money into nuclear research as 'clean energy' since the 80s instead of obsessing over windmills and solar panels, we'd likely be some way to building the first fusion plants. Zero cost energy, completely unlimited, zero operating pollution.

How much did we invest in clean power compared to nuclear?

Because im pretty sure nuclear has had more funding.

 

[Si_]

Did you read IT Minion's recent post about the problems with neutron radiation. It is not quite as clean as I had always thought.

It's as clean and safe as any physical process can be. Operating pollution is essentially zero whilst decommissioning is much simpler than for fission waste, not least because the half-life of neutron activated components is relatively short and their contamination very low.

 

[Si_]

How much did we invest in clean power compared to nuclear?

Because im pretty sure nuclear has had more funding.

Nowhere close. I haven't worked it out but including Net Zero, even with the predicted "oops, we forgot all about nuclear so let's do something now" approach I'd be surprised if nuclear funding will amount to 25% of clean energy. And if we had decided to chuck the money we spent on foreign wars into the mix we'd have fusion reactors up and running right now.

 

[Si_]

It would be cheap, too. A couple of generations after the initial investment, it would be basically free. Free energy, zero pollution, unlimited power. Not what any government wants, of course.

 

[IT Minion]

Nowhere close. I haven't worked it out but including Net Zero, even with the predicted "oops, we forgot all about nuclear so let's do something now" approach I'd be surprised if nuclear funding will amount to 25% of clean energy

So you've no idea and haven't tried to work it out. Cool.

 

[Si_]

So you've no idea and haven't tried to work it out. Cool.

I have an idea. I just wrote it down. I don't find the need to gather the details for someone who plugs SSDs into PCs for a living and thinks they know everything.

 

[IT Minion]

I have an idea. I just wrote it down. I don't find the need to gather the details for someone who plugs SSDs into PCs for a living and thinks they know everything.

Your idea was

'I haven't worked it out'.

Then you changed the goal posts from green energy to include insulating buildings.

I bet you haven't even worked out that all the green subsidies youre ranting about already include the subsidies for nuclear power.

But thats what happens if you don't work things out.

 

[Si_]

Your idea was

'I haven't worked it out'.

Then you changed the goal posts from green energy to include insulating buildings.

I bet you haven't even worked out that all the green subsidies youre ranting about already include the subsidies for nuclear power.

But thats what happens if you don't work things out.

I never mentioned insulating buildings. Are you on drugs? I have no idea what you're talking about, which makes two of us.

 

[IT Minion]

It's as clean and safe as any physical process can be. Operating pollution is essentially zero whilst decommissioning is much simpler than for fission waste, not least because the half-life of neutron activated components is relatively short and their contamination very low.

It might be, when someone builds one. ITER won't even be built until 2035 and it's goal is to generate some electricity, not break even, just generate some.

We don't know what the amount of waste or cost to run will be yet. But nuclear has over promised and under delivered for a long time and the same practical challenges of extracting energy from superheated liquids are present for fusion.

 

[IT Minion]

but including Net Zero

I never mentioned insulating buildings

If you include net zero you include insulating buildings, EVs, ethanol, hydrogen and a million other things that have nothing to do with the successes of solar and wind.

 

[Si_]

It might be, when someone builds one. ITER won't even be built until 2035 and it's goal is to generate some electricity, not break even, just generate some.

We don't know what the amount of waste or cost to run will be yet. But nuclear has over promised and under delivered for a long time and the same practical challenges of extracting energy from superheated liquids are present for fusion.

It's difficult to under-deliver when the UK government's funding for fusion, including total historic funding and future commitments not yet realised, is less than is spent on illegal immigrant hotels every 16 weeks.