which bizzare example are we talking about?
which bizzare example are we talking about?
You might be right (about the "guidance notes"), but I never rely on on them or refer to them, precisely because of the misinterpretations that arise.jpdw said:OK, I was quoting the guidance notes that are contained in the Approved Document P, rather than the regulation listing itself, so apologies for not being specific enough with the quote.
BUT... The guidance notes do support the bizarre example I was trying to make - that extending a circuit is not "installation a new circuit" so according to the language of the guidance notes it does suggest non-notification.
I can't find the example to which you refer.Looking back at the regulation itself, doesn't 2(c)(ii) cover my bizarre example?
(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit;
I don't agree. It's perfectly clear. Do you have an example of where "learned electricians" haven't agreed over an interpretation of the BRs?One thing that is clear is that the regulation is unclear to both the learned electricians
I don't agree. Do you have an example of a DIYer who has claimed to have read the BRs and not understood them?...and to the subset of DIYers that both to try to understand it.
as I put above, I had "user issues" (it was late) and then forgot it when I retyped my posting. I wont post it here/now to avoid further hi-jacking of the OP's thread.You might be right (about the "guidance notes"), but I never rely on on them or refer to them, precisely because of the misinterpretations that arise.jpdw said:OK, I was quoting the guidance notes that are contained in the Approved Document P, rather than the regulation listing itself, so apologies for not being specific enough with the quote.
BUT... The guidance notes do support the bizarre example I was trying to make - that extending a circuit is not "installation a new circuit" so according to the language of the guidance notes it does suggest non-notification.
saxondale appears to think that the Building Regulations aren't law. He's wrong.
saxondale implied that the Building Regulations are open to interpretation. They are indeed, but they contain very little ambiguity.
I can't find the example to which you refer.Looking back at the regulation itself, doesn't 2(c)(ii) cover my bizarre example?
(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit;
There are quite a few threads where individual notify/not notify gets depated - and quite often it seems those debating either side are the pros.I don't agree. It's perfectly clear. Do you have an example of where "learned electricians" haven't agreed over an interpretation of the BRs?One thing that is clear is that the regulation is unclear to both the learned electricians
If you don't know whether or not you're breaking the law in the course of the work that you do, then I recommend that you take professional legal advice before doing any more of it.saxondale said:are you saying I`m breaking the law every bellbox fit ?
OK. In that case I have option but to say that your question can't be answered.jpdw said:as I put above, I had "user issues" (it was late) and then forgot it when I retyped my posting. I wont post it here/now to avoid further hi-jacking of the OP's thread.I can't find the example to which you refer.
It would be easier to comment on that impression if you would give an example of such a topic. It's possible that the people debating such a point are not all professionals. It's also possible that some professionals don't actually read the Building Regulations.There are quite a few threads where individual notify/not notify gets depated - and quite often it seems those debating either side are the pros.I don't agree. It's perfectly clear. Do you have an example of where "learned electricians" haven't agreed over an interpretation of the BRs?One thing that is clear is that the regulation is unclear to both the learned electricians
Maybe just an impression I got.
No probs... and thank you for wanting to answer it. Maybe another day...OK. In that case I have option but to say that your question can't be answered.jpdw said:as I put above, I had "user issues" (it was late) and then forgot it when I retyped my posting. I wont post it here/now to avoid further hi-jacking of the OP's thread.I can't find the example to which you refer.
It would be easier to comment on that impression if you would give an example of such a topic. It's possible that the people debating such a point are not all professionals. It's also possible that some professionals don't actually read the Building Regulations.There are quite a few threads where individual notify/not notify gets depated - and quite often it seems those debating either side are the pros.I don't agree. It's perfectly clear. Do you have an example of where "learned electricians" haven't agreed over an interpretation of the BRs?One thing that is clear is that the regulation is unclear to both the learned electricians
Maybe just an impression I got.
If you don't know whether or not you're breaking the law in the course of the work that you do, then I recommend that you take professional legal advice before doing any more of it.saxondale said:are you saying I`m breaking the law every bellbox fit ?
Oh I dunno - from themselves perhaps?where do you think I`m quoting guidance notes fromIf you don't know whether or not you're breaking the law in the course of the work that you do, then I recommend that you take professional legal advice before doing any more of it.
Ooh, ooh, I know this one - it's because you're wrong. But don't feel bad - you're good at it....and why I`m so sure you dont need to notify the things I`m saying you don`t........?
And Harold Shipman killed old ladies, day in, day out.That its because I`m doing this day in day out thats how
Oh I dunno - from themselves perhaps?where do you think I`m quoting guidance notes fromIf you don't know whether or not you're breaking the law in the course of the work that you do, then I recommend that you take professional legal advice before doing any more of it.
Ooh, ooh, I know this one - it's because you're wrong....and why I`m so sure you dont need to notify the things I`m saying you don`t........?
And Harold Shipman killed old ladies day in, day out.That its because I`m doing this day in day out thats how
That's nice. I trust that your insurance covers you for breaking the law when your excuse is no better than "someone else said it was right".saxondale said:we have guidance from our trade regulators and assesers sumed up as " additions, alterations and extensions do not need notifying unless in a special location and fixed to the outside of a dwelling isnt a special location...."
Two excellent examples of Things That Aren't The Slightest Bit Relevant to the question in hand.were assesed every 6 months, plenty of time for any non compliances to have been flagged up by now
as I`ve said before - theres more than niciec etc
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