Wire Problem see photos need help.

[lazor]

My intention is to lower a wall socket ,

so i removed all relevent sections and then noticed that there are metal cabels inside the wall going into the metal internall wall socket.

is it possible to move this wall socket lower ? and how do i go about the metal wireing inside the wall that connects into the metal socket.

hope this is cleare see pics attached.

TKs
A.

 

[securespark]

That's Mineral Insulated Copper Clad Cable.

Hmm.

If you chip away a bit more plaster, where are they heading?

If they head in the right direction, could you lower the socket with the existing connections?

Other than that, leave the existing box where it is & extend each cable to the new position.

 

[Softus]

May I ask: what was your knowledge of electrical circuits and installations before embarking on this project?

 

[lazor]

well the cables head left,
well i then. i think the best option like you said is to keep the cabels and box where they are and extend the cables to the new position.
are these cables easy to find? and replace with longer cables?
also what is the best way to close this gap in the wall?

well not alot of knolage thats kinda why i am here.

 

[ricicle]

Mineral insulated cables require a fair degree of knowledge to be installed, handled etc

It looks like you have a double socket that was screwed back onto a single flush box this is incorrect as it will leave one side of the socket loose.

 

[Steve]

Its a mess. double socket on a single backbox. bits of newspaper? in the wall. spur taken off at a wierd angle, probably not in safe zones. rust. socket screwed to the wall directly?

I'd say get a time served spark in to re-do the MICC properly onto a double box.

 

[lazor]

How can i make this Safe untill i get someone in during the week?
as the electricty needs to be back on for washing machien etc.?
shall i just put the lot back together again?

 

[dingbat]

I'd say get a time served spark in to re-do the MICC properly onto a double box.

I'd say you'll be lucky to find any spark who will touch it. Pyro's good stuff, but not usual in a house and if the damp's got in at any point your insulation resistance could be up the spout.

Brace yourself for a rewire recommend.

 

[ColJack]

if damp has gotten in it at any point then there would be a big hole in the wall..
they tend to explode when damp...

id just put the ends in a terminal block and put a single blank plate on it..

this is major work and will end up costing you a fair bit.. gonna have to re-plaster a big chunk of wall after as well..

and that's only if he can move it..


I'd recommend a single fused spur at the current location, and then to the double socket in it's new position..


in my younger cowboy day, I did once remove a socket from my mothers kitchen by crimping the ends together, stuffing it back in the box and putting a home made 3mm stainless steel plate over the backbox.. it was then filled and left... .. hmmm must go back and fix that... cut and join under the floorboards.. )

in my defense, you can see the capping when the wallpaper is removed, and can see where it is with the paper on ( plasterers fault.. )

 

[securespark]

Ding, not sure about your comments. I'm happy to work with MICC & see it more often than I expect in domestic. Not sure why the loc. is important.

 

[Spark123]

Can you still get imperial pyro pots/glands?

 

[festa]

Does MICC offer mechanical protection `IF` its not run in a safe zone?

Personally, seeming as your going to be plastering/browning the old hole anyway,i would chase this cable back to either,under the floor or above in the ceiling void and carry out the extensions there and run the new cable up or down (in safe zone) to the newly positioned socket.

 

[Spark123]

It is perissible run MICC outside the safe zones as it has an earthed metallic sheath.

 

[RF Lighting]

Yep MICC is allowed to be run outside of the safe zones, but not personally something I would do.


I would happily work with MICC, and regularly do, (although not that often on domestics)

I think you can still get imperial pots on special order from BICC.

We still have a few stashed in our yard for such an eventuallity

 

[dingbat]

Ding, not sure about your comments. I'm happy to work with MICC & see it more often than I expect in domestic. Not sure why the loc. is important.

The only place I have ever seen it in a domestic is very occasionally for an outside supply. Maybe it's a regional thing?

But, in any case, given the likelihood that unskilled modifications are commonplace in older houses I would be very concerned about checking the integrity of earthing throughout (and polarity for that matter). The double socket in question appears to rely entirely on the contact of one screw for its earth, the disconnected green-and-yeller there appearing to be associated only with the twin and earth spur cable... and the earth terminal appears to have no grub screw in it anyway! The other terminations are distinctly below par as well.

Evidence enough that bodged mods have already been carried out!