Wiring a FCU from Hob Supply

[daveyboyd]

Hi to all by the way as this is my first post although I have used this site for a while now and always found it to be very useful. However, I need a bit of advice. I am currently wiring in my new oven/hob. Both are electric. The hob will be hard wired using a 6mm cable through a 30amp rated switch. The oven will be supplied using a 13 amp fused spur off the 30 amp switch. On the back of the fused spur the terminals are marked 2 x IN and 2 x OUT. There is no markings for live, neutral on either. There are three terminals at the top of the switch which are marked OUT – IN – OUT respectively and the terminal at the bottom is marked IN.

Question: Does it matter which terminals the wires from the load (oven) are wired to as long as they are wired into the OUT terminals?

I can’t seem to fathom if it matters or not and thought if it did then the terminals surely must be clearly marked.

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I only came across this problem when wiring things in last night.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Dave

 

[kevindgas]

wiring in a kitchen comes under Part P notifiable work when you alter a circuit! to do this you must be "competent" and registered to self certify your work. clearly you are neither, get someone in before you cause damage to the system or yourself.

 

[daveyboyd]

Thanks for that, I am actually a civil engineer so not totally stupid. I realise that I am not an electrician hence asking the question, if you asked me how to calculate the restoring moment on a retaining wall I think I would do better than to tell you to get someone in.

You haven't helped at all.

As far as I am aware anyone can wire anything in their own home as long as they get BCO or a qualified Part P registered spark to check the work at first fix and then again after completion.

I am asking this question to get me to first fix stage not for some patronising advice

 

[holmslaw]

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[daveyboyd]

Thank you, I thought it was a bit odd that the terminals are not clearly marked. I think I may buy some MK FCU's instead.

The wiring that this post is regarding is an existing supply from the previous stand alone oven. All I am planning on doing (with approvals of course) is to take a spur off the existing supply to supply the built under oven. Sorry, I think I should have mentioned this in the initial post.

The BCO can inspect the work quite easily as the oven/hob has not yet been installed.

And no, you're right I wouldn't sign off reinforcement without seeing it

 

[kevindgas]

The BCO can inspect the work quite easily as the oven/hob has not yet been installed.

and will charge you more than a qualified sparks! wether you like it or not we give advice freely which includes telling you the legal position of work you are considering. altering a circuit in a kitchen is one such item that is Notifiable work.

if i was doing work in my home that required a specialist then i would employ them!

sorry that you think I am unhelpful, that is up to you, but asking for advice and then not accepting what you get in reply shows a degree of arrogance on your part! and also your contempt for building regulations.

 

[kevindgas]

I am actually a civil engineer

and what does that matter? you are not qualified to undertake the work you propose. I never implied you were "stupid" just working on something you clearly have little understanding of!

 

[daveyboyd]

Look I asked a question, all I wanted was an answer to the question, all you gave was some jumped up patronising advice which I could do without, in future don't bother because it doesn't help, it just makes you look like a smart arse and nobody likes a smart arse.

You don't need to be qualified to carry out any remedial wiring work as long as you attain the necessary approvals from the BCO so you are talking utter sh*t.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You don't need to be qualified to carry out any remedial wiring work as long as you attain the necessary approvals from the BCO so you are talking utter sh*t.

You don't need to be qualified to do any wiring work, even a complete rewire.

In fact you don't need to be qualified in a single thing to be allowed to build an entire house from scratch.

But the necessary approvals from LABC have to be applied for in advance, and part of that process will involve you showing how you intend to comply with the relevant provisions of the Building Regulations. In this case P1.

All I am planning on doing (with approvals of course) is to take a spur off the existing supply to supply the built under oven.

Have you obtained approval?

Was the cost worth it?

 

[kevindgas]

Arrogant answer again - you are wrong end of! as remedial is not the same as alteration which is what you are doing! but hey ho carry on with it you were going to anyway!

 

[ScouseTommyWalsh]

Personally i feel that the key point of this blog is to receive an answer to the question in hand. Thus i propose you simply plug the appliance in and try different wires in the fuse until you get the right one. An unfortunate problem that may arise from this is that you may be killed in the process! If you are unsure of the wiring process would a battery operated appliance be more suited to your technical needs. However good luck and happy cooking

 

[daveyboyd]

Personally i feel that the key point of this blog is to receive an answer to the question in hand. Thus i propose you simply plug the appliance in and try different wires in the fuse until you get the right one. An unfortunate problem that may arise from this is that you may be killed in the process! If you are unsure of the wiring process would a battery operated appliance be more suited to your technical needs. However good luck and happy cooking

Oh my fuking god, you have joined the forum just to give a smug little **** answer like that, get a life you toad

 

[daveyboyd]

I must end this pathetic post now with the statement that I have just been out and bought some MK FCU's which are clearly marked Supply L & N and Load L & N. Something which is clearly missing on the original switches I was originally referring to and wanted a professionals advice on.

I wish I hadn't have bothered.

Thank you for the people who actually did want to help and in answer to the last question, no, it's probably not worth paying for LABC to come out and nod his head when all I am doing is replacing an oven but that's the rules we have to play by I guess.

 

[ScouseTommyWalsh]

Daveyboy,

you are clearly mislead in that you think you can simply carry out remedial works/alterations to the existing wiring systems within your appliances of your home. it clearly has a safeguarding body in place to stop mugs such as yourself from causing harm to yourself and others around. Hence i would propose taking the items you have purchased today and allowing a fully qualified tradesman carry out the works with these items.

 

[daveyboyd]

Arrogant answer again - you are wrong end of! as remedial is not the same as alteration which is what you are doing! but hey ho carry on with it you were going to anyway!

Oh and you STILL haven't answered the question but again a smart arse comment pffft