Would PR help UKIP

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Under the Proportional Representation electoral system it is estimated that UKIP could win 99 seats in the General election,as it is with the existing system of first past the post they will be lucky to win one or two.
 
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Of course. PR would benefit everyone except the two main parties.
That's why we still have it!
I never understand why you advocate PR.

Would it not result in your favourite people having a proportion (5% - 32 seats and rising) of MPs?
 

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Of course. PR would benefit everyone except the two main parties.
That's why we still have it!
I never understand why you advocate PR.

Would it not result in your favourite people having a proportion (5% - 32 seats and rising) of MPs?

I presume by 'my favourite people' you mean UKIP! If so, 15% would equate to 96 seats. Yes, I'd be happy with that.
 
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I presume by 'my favourite people' you mean UKIP!
No, silly - muslims.

Ah, I beg your pardon. Please try to be more specific next time! :LOL:

No, seriously, their votes would go to Labour of course, the party of hand-outs and free immigration (yes, bring your wives - all four - and the rest of your families. Vote for us and we'll make you very welcome!). :LOL:
 
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i think with PR ukip would get far less first votes as the "protest" element would all but disapear
having said that i can see second third or fourth level votes include them but in such small numbers as to be no more than small element in the odd council
 
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Interesting concepts, there is a recent PR exercise that was supposed to keep the Scottish Parliament equally balanced much the same as Westminster.

The original thinking when setting up Hollyrood was to use PR and the status quo as Westminster would dominate, as we all now know, that simply did not happen and the SNP in this case are now dominant.

When voting up here you can vote for several candidates, on a firs second third preference. the clear winner is elected and there is then a bun fight to see how many votes in second or third place a particular candidate wins.

We then have List MSPs who in effect picked up a lot of second place votes.

In all it I believe has scared the main Westminster parties to stay clear of PR?

I suppose it could be argued that PR gives the voter a better spread of bet than the First past the post, especially if there is not much to choose between the parties.

On the other hand I can see the replies now on this, if PR got the SNP in almost anything can happen.

Caution, the political Dynamics up here are a million miles removed from politics in the rest of the UK.

I must admit the politics in Northern Ireland I just do not understand?

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Ken - If there is a one party majority under PR , then it would be even more so under FPTP.

But I think we need to be mindful that PR comes in different forms.

When you say it's moved from the rest of the UK, you mean England?

As for NI politics, you only have to remember the old saying

'Vote early, and vote often'
 
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But I think we need to be mindful that PR comes in different forms.

When you say it's moved from the rest of the UK, you mean England?

Micilin, I totally agree that there are hundreds of differing forms of PR, the one that was shall we say Adopted for Scotland ended up with the SNP firstly running a minority government, in a true Coalition, and finally being the dominant party.

As for do I mean England? all I want is a real, true, working, coalition where no one party is truly DOMINANT! and all decisions have to be come to by an even better rainbow coalition where all parties get into a huddle and come up with what is best for the vast majority of the voters

We have just undergone a so called Formal coalition, what I would like to see is all parties negotiating, not shouting at each other to come up with a middle path where we the population can see that whatever party we have voted for have an input to the final decision?

OK that is pie in the Sky, but a rainbow would end=sure that the parties that we all vote for have a say in the Legislation being passed, not a piece of legislation steamrollered through the Westminster Parliament.

Remember? there is only ONE Conservative Westminster MP voted into the Westminster Parliament.

Question? how would you feel about that? Where only One MP at Westminster is an elected member of the DOMINANT party in power out of all of the Westminster MPs
 
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Remember? there is only ONE Conservative Westminster MP voted into the Westminster Parliament.
Question? how would you feel about that? Where only One MP at Westminster is an elected member of the DOMINANT party in power out of all of the Westminster MPs
There are several areas that could have a similar grievance.

It depends whether you consider Britain one country or not.
There is only one part which has been given the opportunity to vote on this and they decided that it should be.
 
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