Gas pipe sizing

[kevplumb]

it's your money you are wasting

you have been told it's not right

it's your life you are risking

carry on

 

[cyclonebri2]

it's your money you are wasting

you have been told it's not right

it's your life you are risking

carry on

OK in your order;

I an trying to avoid getting ripped off, or more likely being lumbered with someone elses error, quite the opposite of wasting money

I came on here suspecting it was "not right", several posters, yourself included, agreed, and more info was requested, that I've now supplied, why do you have a problem with that?. It's polite to answer when a request is made for more info.

If you think it's my life that I'm risking you need to spell it out for me. We, and this is my daughters house, have employed a registered builder who in turn has provided a proper plummer, or at least the info on his van stated that. Where's the issue? Is there an inherrant danger to undersizing that I'm not aware off? Whats the issue?

Carry on? I will. I will get this addressed with the builder and resolved, infact we called last thing last night to make sure he doesn't bury the pipes yet. The only one carrying on here is you.

You know guys like you addressing people on an open forum in the way you have, do have a real problem.

 

[bengasman]

It's more probably a case that the builder did not explain the need for the existing gas fire supply to the plumber...

That would be the same as a doctor performing surgery based on what the nurse said.
Builders are renown for using the cheapest installer they can find in order to maximise their profit. As we all know that you get cheap when you buy cheap, it means invariably that the customer gets a poor quality job.
One of the typical things to happen is that the plumber/builder pushes strongly for a specific boiler because they can get it on a very cheap special promotion offer.
Which boiler did they advise you to go for?

 

[bengasman]

Thanks for that, he he a corgi reg guy, methinks the builder has not given him the full SP

Let me guess: he did not show you a corgi card that confirmed this man is currently legal to work on gas boilers.

 

[kevplumb]

I an trying to avoid getting ripped off, or more likely being lumbered with someone elses error, quite the opposite of wasting money

the way your going about i would say you have hit all 3

i don't want to fall out with the builder

so don't ,tell him you want the job done right

then inspected by gassafe corgi don't hold the register and ain't worth jack as far as gas is concerned

get the pair of them together your builder and PLUMBER

tell them exactly what you want

then tell them to start again at their expense

 

[doitall]

we are dealing through the builder and if it's his error, if indeed there is an error, I would like to be armed with something substantial

It is nothing to do with the builder, he just pays the guy (hopefully)

Gas work is the sole responsibility of the installer.

Ask to see his gasesafe card, check it out and keep a record of the name and number.

Then tell the builder the pipe is undersized and you expect it to be rectified.

 

[davebgas]

Simply ask the builder to confirm how he intends his PLUMBER to achieve a max 1mb pressure loss. If you get no coherent reply then they should not be doing the work. No way by my calculation will that pipework be adequate.
I apprciate you are going via a builder but still doesn't mean you cannot question him as to how this pipe sizing has been worked out.

 

[rojaca]

CycloneBri, just to try and make things clear. Many off the chaps on here are trying to offer you the best advice they can. However there is a policy regarding posting gas safety specific subject material which many of the RGI's on here will not contravene. This is largely due to the number of DIYers attempting Gas installation work etc themselves. Because of this they cannot give you specific pipe sizing measurements etc, but are happy (in some instances) to advise you what your best course of action should be.

 

[cyclonebri2]

CycloneBri, just to try and make things clear. Many off the chaps on here are trying to offer you the best advice they can. However there is a policy regarding posting gas safety specific subject material which many of the RGI's on here will not contravene. This is largely due to the number of DIYers attempting Gas installation work etc themselves. Because of this they cannot give you specific pipe sizing measurements etc, but are happy (in some instances) to advise you what your best course of action should be.

Thanks rojaca, but I do not see how much clearer I can make things.


Look at what I said again. I think the builder has given duff info to the plummer, hence his pipe sizing. Does that make the plummer a cowboy? I don't think so. But It does give an issue I WILL SORT OUT

I will redress to Kev shortly when I have checked the purpose of this forum

 

[cyclonebri2]

That would be the same as a doctor performing surgery based on what the nurse said.

Ok valid point, but nobody died yet, I am trying to ensure no one does.

Yes the plumber did suggest a new boiler, but this has been a massive project on our scale, and we made it very clear we would use the existing boiler which is only about 5 years old, and just capable of heating the house at 100% rating.

Hence the builder knows we will increase the rating with a new boiler as soon as affordable. For the simple reason that both Bosch and Gloworm are based within 8 miles of us and the fact that we have contacts at both ot them, it will be either of theirs as we can buy at employee rates and supply to the plumber.

Thanks for the advice

 

[D_Hailsham]

Read Domestic Gas Planning and Sizing

 

[landyandy]

Don't think that's working.

 

[cyclonebri2]

Let me guess: he did not show you a corgi card that confirmed this man is currently legal to work on gas boilers.

No, I did not check his card. But at the end of the day he has to certify the installation? If he isn't qualified he won't be able too,

Look this builder is well known and very well recommended, he does not cut corners, I can add extra info here that really should not be needed if there was any element of trust here.

The unfortunate thing was that the weekend before this 10 week project was due to start the contractor snapped his achilies tendon, his bricky was then left in charge for a few days. This is where all the confusion starts as the contrator was not aware of what had been ripped out, and possibly didn't advise the plumber accordingly.


The problem here is that no one accepts that is probably a genuine mistake, that amazes me, stand up Mr Perfect

 

[cyclonebri2]

Kev your 1st comment doesn't deserve a repy, I have explained it all away, take time to go back and read again

The rest of it is exactly what we are doing, I merely asked for a little help from this forum to add to my argument, judging by your comments I obviously made a mistake.

 

[D_Hailsham]

Don't think that's working.

It is now! There was an unintentional full stop at the end of the URL!