Flexible hoses and Gas cookers

[willit]

Firstly, I will stress I have no intention of doing anything myself, but I am hoping somebody can clarify the situation for me. I hope therefore this is not a contravention of the forum rules.

My fitted gas oven and grill developed a leak which was not repairable. The gasman capped the gas pipes, but said there may be an issue with a replacement as he cannot, by law, use a flexible hose.

The oven is built into a cupboard which I believe is fairly standard - a 570 by 890mm opening in 600mm wide units.

Before I buy a replacement, I need to know if it will be possible to fit a gas oven if the information about the pipes is correct. I have tried contacting several local gas fitters, but have had all my Emails and phone messages ignored (This is not really a moan, I realise they are all going to be very busy with the cold snap and peoples heating).

My alternative will be an Electric oven, but I'd then need to get the power socket in the kitchen upgraded , and TBO, I'd prefer gas.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Tim

 

[linkyplumb]

Wherabouts in Hants are you?

 

[MJN]

The gasman capped the gas pipes, but said there may be an issue with a replacement as he cannot, by law, use a flexible hose.

Probably time to find a new installer. The instructions for our built-in gas oven clearly state that a flexible metallic hose is acceptable.

Perhaps he was referring to a rubber-only flexible type like you'd find on a bunsen burner or BBQ, if that's what is currently fitted? (Don't be fooled by the rubber out of a proper cooker hose - they are metal inside).

Don't take my word for it though - one of the qualified fitters should be along shortly to set the record straight.

Mathew

 

[Terrywookfit]

It would not be possible to fit most built in ovens without using a flexi.

 

[hibeealex]

BES sell the flexi anaconda ones. and rated for the job

 

[willit]

Wherabouts in Hants are you?

Eastleigh, Nr Southampton

Thanks for the replies - it seems I am safe in looking for a replacement gas oven.

Tim

 

[linkyplumb]

Wherabouts in Hants are you?

Eastleigh, Nr Southampton

Thanks for the replies - it seems I am safe in looking for a replacement gas oven.

Tim

The only thing that you might need to watch, is the location of the gas coming into the appliance.Some are bottom left, bottom right,top left, top right.
Obviously if your gas point is low down on the right, then an appliance with gas feed on top left might have the flexi stretching

Graham

 

[kirkgas]

Wherabouts in Hants are you?

Eastleigh, Nr Southampton

Thanks for the replies - it seems I am safe in looking for a replacement gas oven.

Tim

The only thing that you might need to watch, is the location of the gas coming into the appliance.Some are bottom left, bottom right,top left, top right.
Obviously if your gas point is low down on the right, then an appliance with gas feed on top left might have the flexi stretching

Graham

once rthe appliance and gas fitter are on site it will only tape 15mins to alter the pipe from its existing position to a new one as per MI so it shouldnt be a prob, most usually say to fit a longer than normal hose to allow easier fit (for the life of me cant remember if they are 1200mm long)

 

[bengasman]

...The instructions for our built-in gas oven clearly state that a flexible metallic hose is acceptable....

That is trac pipe, nothing to do with a flexible gas connection designed to supply freestanding cookers and nothing else.

 

[MJN]

...The instructions for our built-in gas oven clearly state that a flexible metallic hose is acceptable....

That is trac pipe, nothing to do with a flexible gas connection designed to supply freestanding cookers and nothing else.

Who mentioned trac pipe? We're talking built-in ovens here, and as mentioned above it would often be difficult to use anything but a flexible hose in fitting despite what the gas bloke said to the OP. Or have I misunderstood your post?

Mathew

 

[bengasman]

Flexible hoses are only for moveable applianes i.e. a freestanding cooker in a normal domestic environment.
The wording in the gsiur effectively means you can use either copper or stainless steel for fixed appliances. So unless an oven is not seen as a fixed appliance, you can't use a cooker hose legally. The fact that it becomes a pita is totally irrelevant.

 

[MJN]

Gotcha. Apologies to the OP for the misleading info. I'll be onto GasSafe to see what can be done about mine. In terms of what can be done regarding my installer oes it matter if it was fitted whilst the Corgi scheme was in operation?

Edi: Just noticed Kirkgas's response which seems at odds with what you're saying. Has one of you misunderstood the initial question?

Mathew

 

[expertgasman]

[quote="bengasman";p="1816264"]Flexible hoses are only for moveable applianes i.e. a freestanding cooker in a normal domestic environment.
The wording in the gsiur effectively means you can use either copper or stainless steel for fixed appliances. So unless an oven is not seen as a fixed appliance, you can't use a cooker hose legally. The fact that it becomes a pita is totally irrelevant.[/quote]

I've not fitted a cooker for some years, but I clearly recall built in ovens, of the type fitted at a higher level utilising a normal gas flex. The MI's overide regs, somif the MI's specify a flex, then that is legal.

 

[bengasman]

True, if the instructions say you can use a flex, you can. In this case though, it specifies a metallic flex, which is not the kind of flex you use for a free standing cooker imho.

 

[tamz]

99% of built in ovens can be fitted with flexi's but always check the MI's to confirm.