More evidence the law is an ass

[Bosswhite]

IMO The rash call and bad decision was made by the jury by the direction of the judge, The verdict should have been accidental death, and the guard aquitted

If you believe that, then do you believe that every single train guard should be sacked.

If not, why not, what's the point of hiring people that can wilfully ignore their duty with no penalty?

Train Guards/ Platform Staff etc have to deal with drunken, some violent, yobs all the time, especially late night / weekends,
yobs, jumping in and out of train doors before they close, changing compartments to avoid paying fares, urinating/vomiting in compartments, "mooning" at other passengers, this is part of the staffs duty,

now if they are going to be sent to jail for five years because they misjudged what one Drunken/drugged person was doing, they need further support , more staff to control yobs late at night,
it sounds to me like a being a Train Guard on a late night Tube train is a thankless task and fraught with danger, and can now come with a Five Year Jail Sentence

 

[AronSearle]

more staff to control yobs late at night

Why are you talking out of your bumhole?

Where are the yobs, where are the hordes.

It's one person leaning on a train, and you say he needs more staff and support to deal with that?



Like I said, if a train guard in this situation, who is clearly not overwhelmed by any other passengers, can clearly see someone leaning on the train, and gives the all clear when he knows he shouldn't.

If he can't be held to account in this situation, then what possible situation can he be held to account for, might as well sack the lot of them, no point hiring people who can never be held to account for any mistake.

 

[Bosswhite]

The rest of her drunken/drugged up party were in the compartment of the train, also are you sure there were no other drunken yobs in any other compartments that would have caused trouble had the Guard "manhandled" her out of the way,

If he tried to move her, where was he going to take her ?

There are warning bells and bleeps/voice messages that tell passengers the doors are closing, and that the train is about to move, and to move beyond the safety zone.

The girl ignored those signals, so this tragic accident was mainly due to her own negligence.

 

[AronSearle]

The rest of her drunken/drugged up party were in the compartment of the train, also are you sure there were no other drunken yobs in any other compartments that would have caused trouble had the Guard "manhandled" her out of the way

And there could have been a terrorist or mugger as well.

But there wasn't, courts deal with "what is" not "what if".

 

[Bosswhite]

And a Jury is guided by a Judge as to the verdict, he may or may not always get it right,
That is why there is an appeal system in place.
In this particular case the Jury took over three hours to make a decision not exactly "Open and shut" IMO
The original article dosent state if the Juries verdict was unanimous either.

 

[sooey]

It is in mine. The guard is there to stop exactly this kind of thing happening.
All he has to do is stand there look along the train and give the all clear to the driver. He couldn't even do that properly and a young girl died.
There's no excuse.

 

[Norcon]

How many of you hypocrites if driving a train , bus, van, lorry etc and had vision of someone standing like that depicted in the image would actually not let the clutch out just when you need to drive off?
Precious fecking few of you.

I certainly wouldn't. Though if I seen the person fall to the side of the vehicle I'd obviously slam the brakes on.

Thats the problem you see. A break in communication between two people leading to one being unfairly jailed and a person dead.

 

[sooey]

Driving a train is not like driving a bus, van or lorry. That's why the train driver wasn't in court. He relies on the guard to tell him it's safe to go.
This guard did that when it obviously wasn't. What's hard to understand about that.

 

[Norcon]

Driving a train is not like driving a bus, van or lorry. That's why the train driver wasn't in court. He relies on the guard to tell him it's safe to go.
This guard did that when it obviously wasn't. What's hard to understand about that.

You didn't answer the question. No surprise there.
Have another look at the image.
Whats not safe about driving off? How was the guard to know the girl was on her last legs and the train was holding her up?
Crystal ball time I suppose..

 

[sooey]

You didn't ask a sensible or relevant question...no surprise there either.

Whats not safe about driving off? How was the guard to know the girl was on her last legs and the train was holding her up?

Don't be so stupid It was the last train of the night and the kid was obviously pizzed. He couldn't be ar*ed to walk over and tell her to move back, now she's dead, he's starting a five year sentence and wishing no doubt that he'd been more careful with her life.

 

[Norcon]

You didn't ask a sensible or relevant question...no surprise there either.

Whats not safe about driving off? How was the guard to know the girl was on her last legs and the train was holding her up?

Don't be so stupid It was the last train of the night and the kid was obviously pizzed. He couldn't be ar*ed to walk over and tell her to move back, now she's dead, he's starting a five year sentence and wishing no doubt that he'd been more careful with her life.

So every kid thats pizzed falls under a train from that position in the image the moment it moves off?
Get real FFS.
If you had been driving the train and had sight of her you would have sunk the boot.

 

[sooey]

You're the one who needs to get real. The girl in that picture is now dead.
The guard (not the driver who you keep harping on about) did not do his job. The judge sentenced him to five years for manslaughter. Spot on I think.

 

[Norcon]

You're the one who needs to get real. The girl in that picture is now dead.
The guard (not the driver who you keep harping on about) did not do his job. The judge sentenced him to five years for manslaughter. Spot on I think.

He will appeal and be released. That will be justice.

 

[Scoby_Beasley]

....and the kid was obviously pizzed. He couldn't be ar*ed to walk over and tell her to move back, now she's dead, he's starting a five year sentence and wishing no doubt that he'd been more careful with her life.

Talking of "duty of care". What about the parents allowing/not bothering where an underage minimally dressed daughter was out on the lash in London? Should they not be done for neglect? Or will they be compensated for their loss?

Guess which option I'll back.

 

[sooey]

Even if he does, that poor kid will still be dead, and he'll have to live with his conscience.