More evidence the law is an ass

[gasbanni]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/train-guard-found-guilty-over-girls-death-174731106.html

Tragic though it is drunk and drugged up girl falls to her death, do anyone think for a second he would have deliberately called for the train to start if he'd seen her leaning on it.

If she hadn't been drunk and drugged she'd have jumped back..............
we all do stupid things after too much to drink.

 

[Sombrero]

nah !! the guy's job is to assess risk.. not ability to jump back.... guilty as charged your honour!

 

[LastMagicBean]

Very tragic result for all concerned.

But... guilty of manslaughter is a crazy verdict.

 

[calorific]

As stated on the reports, he has a duty of care which he failed to fulfill. Not sure what other verdict could really have been applied to this one. Hard though

 

[Sombrero]

if he'd seen her leaning on it.

that was the job description !

 

[securespark]

"We have listened as our daughter was portrayed as being a drunken liability when, in all honesty,

she did no more than what many teenagers do of a weekend - she went out to celebrate her friend's birthday,"

she told reporters outside the courtroom. "The only liability that night was a train guard whom Georgia had the
catastrophic misfortune to encounter," she added.

Fine to celebrate a birthday, but to get stinking drunk at 16? And the mother obviously thinks this is acceptable....

The only liability was the guard? Does the mother not see that her daughter's drunkenness was a huge factor in this?

In fact, would it not be fair to say that if her daughter was sober (or even less drunk) she might be alive today?

Of course, it's all the guard's fault. Just like it's always the teacher's fault when kids underachieve at school.

WHY DOES NOBODY ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS ANY MORE??? IT'S ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSES FAULT!


Makes me SICK!

If I were the guard, I would demand an appeal.

 

[calorific]

Although it is pretty obvious that the lass shouldn't have been pi$$ed and stoned at that age (indeed at any age really!), it was the guard's duty to take care of her safety. If he saw he leaning against the train or slapping the sides, then she was clearly in too close proximity to it for him to have instructed the driver to set off.

If she had been well clear of the carriages, and the train moved off and then she had run towards the it and fell under, then he would not have been culpable.

 

[Sombrero]

"We have listened as our daughter was portrayed as being a drunken liability when, in all honesty,

she did no more than what many teenagers do of a weekend - she went out to celebrate her friend's birthday,"

she told reporters outside the courtroom. "The only liability that night was a train guard whom Georgia had the
catastrophic misfortune to encounter," she added.

Fine to celebrate a birthday, but to get stinking drunk at 16? And the mother obviously thinks this is acceptable....

The only liability was the guard? Does the mother not see that her daughter's drunkenness was a huge factor in this?

In fact, would it not be fair to say that if her daughter was sober (or even less drunk) she might be alive today?

Of course, it's all the guard's fault. Just like it's always the teacher's fault when kids underachieve at school.

WHY DOES NOBODY ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS ANY MORE??? IT'S ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSES FAULT!


Makes me SICK!

If I were the guard, I would demand an appeal.

really? the guard is there to make sure the train is safe to leave... it wasn't ! whether the reason was a dog, a drunken girl, a blind black person, or a bag with a fizzing fuse !!?

 

[Norcon]

but to get stinking drunk at 16? And the mother obviously thinks this is acceptable....

Pigs breed pigs!

 

[ajstoneservices]

"We have listened as our daughter was portrayed as being a drunken liability when, in all honesty,

she did no more than what many teenagers do of a weekend - she went out to celebrate her friend's birthday,"

she told reporters outside the courtroom. "The only liability that night was a train guard whom Georgia had the
catastrophic misfortune to encounter," she added.

Fine to celebrate a birthday, but to get stinking drunk at 16? And the mother obviously thinks this is acceptable....

The only liability was the guard? Does the mother not see that her daughter's drunkenness was a huge factor in this?

In fact, would it not be fair to say that if her daughter was sober (or even less drunk) she might be alive today?

Of course, it's all the guard's fault. Just like it's always the teacher's fault when kids underachieve at school.

WHY DOES NOBODY ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS ANY MORE??? IT'S ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSES FAULT!


Makes me SICK!

If I were the guard, I would demand an appeal.

To point out the obvious.

Her daughter is dead and can't take responsibility for her actions that night.
Because it is her daughter that is dead the mother is speaking with the emotion that overwhelms you when you lose a child in an accident. Do you really find that difficult to understand?

You want the young girl and her mother held responsible for the events of that night. And yet the person whose responsibility it was that night to ensure the safety of passenger embarking or disembarking the train to be absolved of any responsibility. Wasn't it his job to ensure she was safely clear before signalling the driver it was safe to depart the station.

It is an inarguable fact that had the girl not been drunk that night she would not of died in that accident. It is equally unarguable that if the guard had done his job properly that night she would still be alive.

As you say people have to take responsibility for their actions.

 

[ajstoneservices]

but to get stinking drunk at 16? And the mother obviously thinks this is acceptable....

Pigs breed pigs!

****ing idiot.

 

[securespark]

So that means she can relinquish all responsibility for her behaviour?

Think not!

Look, someone I know got knocked off his push bike by a car. He was partly responsible for the accident. He was foolish. He sustained head injuries in the accident.

He did not die, but even if he had, blame could not be laid firmly at the driver's door as the rider had a part to play in the accident. If the rider had done what he should have, the accident would not have happened.

That illustrates my feeling perfectly.

 

[cajar]

The mother has learnt in the harshest way possible that her parenting ethos was inadequate. Of course it is easier for her to blame a 'baddie'. Yes, the guard failed in his job and was to a degree responsible for her death, but the mother should also have been prosecuted for letting her child go out to get intoxicated.

Should the guard have went to prison? yes. It was his job to ensure the train did not move if someone was at risk of life and limb - that is precisely why he is employed late at night when people have been drinking and he must have been acutely aware of this.

But is the mother deluding herself to make the pain easier? absolutely. Maybe one day she'll realise it could have been different.

 

[AronSearle]

Everyone got what they deserved.

The girl was a stupid idiot who didn't control herself (many of us may have dabbled, does that mean it's someone else's fault).

The guard was an idiot, she was clearly leaning on the train, so he was either to busy ****ing of to some porn mag in his office, or "just assumed" she was getting away from it.

I mean, that's OK isn't it, It's only several hundred tons of metal on wheels, "assume" is good enough for the job.





As to the mother, it's difficult to say how much is her fault. Did she forbid the kid to get drunk, and the kid did it anyway, did she allow it, her comments saying "it's normal", don't really give a definite answer.

 

[Bosswhite]

Difficult Call, I think Passengers on Public Transport have a certain responsibility towards themselves to look out for their own safety and not expect everyone else to help them when they make themselves deliberately incapable,
The Girl was drunk and had taken drugs (16 years old) The report I read said the girl got out of the train the realised her friends were staying on, and went back possibly unable to stand she then leaned against the train, nothing has been said at what stage the Guard signalled the train to move, he may have had only seconds to act.
A Prison sentence does seem very harsh,