More evidence the law is an ass

[pred]

He and he alone fooked up.

So as a Guard you expect his responsibilty would be that he would have to walk the length of the Train to ensure that EVERY Passenger was safe from injury, seated in the correct manner or if they were standing were able to hold onto a strap or pole in the correct manner,that there was no loose luggage on a rack that could fall out and severly injure a passenger once the train was moving.


The Guard made the call to move the train expecting her to move away beyond the yellow safety line, she was too drunk and influenced by drugs to comprehend, (which the Guard was unaware), The lack of Platform staff did not help the situation.
Basically a Tragic Accident, hopefully he will appeal his sentence as it puts a greater strain on Train Guards duties.[/quote]
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BOLUX!! What is the main duty of a Guard? i thought to stand at the back of the train on the platform raise his flag and blow on his LITTLE whistle when all was clear!!

 

[enyam]

In 2007 a new law was passed called corporate manslaughter whereby companies and organisations can be found guilty of serious management failures resulting in breach of duty of care,they will make sure the world and his wife is held accountable before it reaches any board room.

Has anybody every been prosecuted?

Yes.

What was the outcome?

 

[AronSearle]

The Guard made the call to move the train expecting her to move away beyond the yellow safety line

Yes bosswhite, and this was why he was charged with negligent manslaughter.

He did the exact opposite of what he was hired to do.

 

[cajar]

The only possible explanation for his behaviour is that he became jaded by so many drunks doing a similar thing and got tired of asking them to step back from the line (and probably getting abuse in some cases).

 

[Bosswhite]

Had the Guard got out of the Cab and tried to move her away from the train he would probably have been accused of physical assualt, as there are no witnesses,

Or should he have refused to move the train until the girl had left on her own accord, this would have caused problems with the running of the train timetable possibly affecting other trains, delays etc and passengers complaining and wanting compensation from the Train Company for the delay.

He was between a "rock and a hard place"

 

[calorific]

Had the Guard got out of the Cab and tried to move her away from the train he would probably have been accused of physical assualt, as there are no witnesses,

Or should he have refused to move the train until the girl had left on her own accord, this would have caused problems with the running of the train timetable possibly affecting other trains, delays etc and passengers complaining and wanting compensation from the Train Company for the delay.

He was between a "rock and a hard place"

Agreed. No matter how irritated he was, no matter all the hypotheticals you refer to, he was in total error the result of which the lass died.

We all make rash decisions and bad calls from time to time, but we have to accept the outcome of the consequences of doing so.

 

[Bosswhite]

Had the Guard got out of the Cab and tried to move her away from the train he would probably have been accused of physical assualt, as there are no witnesses,

Or should he have refused to move the train until the girl had left on her own accord, this would have caused problems with the running of the train timetable possibly affecting other trains, delays etc and passengers complaining and wanting compensation from the Train Company for the delay.

He was between a "rock and a hard place"

Agreed. No matter how irritated he was, no matter all the hypotheticals you refer to, he was in total error the result of which the lass died.

We all make rash decisions and bad calls from time to time, but we have to accept the outcome of the consequences of doing so.

IMO The rash call and bad decision was made by the jury by the direction of the judge, The verdict should have been accidental death, and the guard aquitted

 

[pred]

On the poll the guard is 100% guilty at the moment.

 

[Bosswhite]

By coincidence, today is the 25th aniversary of the Kings Cross Tube Fire,

RMT Union Boss Bob Crowe is highlighting the fact that he is concerned about the increasing lack of safety towards Passengers due to cut backs on Platform staff and the introduction of DRIVERLESS trains.

Which tends to point to the fact that Rail Companies are putting the onus on the passengers as regard to their own safety.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20383221

 

[chapeau]

Surprised there aren't more accidents on the tube with all those people on the platform desparate to get into the next sardine can and trains approaching with no chance of stopping.

Though they do have staff on the platforms at busy times.

Though if you want to see complete madness travel on the Tokyo underground during rush hour. Completely barking mad on there. Just like on the tele but a lot more weird and wonderful.

 

[Norcon]

Glad I live in the sticks far from the madding crowd.

 

[calorific]

Surprised there aren't more accidents on the tube with all those people on the platform desparate to get into the next sardine can and trains approaching with no chance of stopping.

Which makes one wonder what the benefits of having a physical driver over a vitual one actually is.

Though they do have staff on the platforms at busy times.

Doing what? Someone watching several monitors would be able to see more and tannoy help/advice far more efficiently than someone shouting on a bustling platform.

 

[calorific]

Glad I like in the sticks far from the madding crowd.

Are you an Oak, Boldwood or Troy

 

[chapeau]

Doing what?

Watching them at Kings Cross/ St Pancras Northern Line southbound at 9am on far too many mornings, they stand in the centre of the platform with strategic view of the platform edge.

They have a microphone giving them access to the platform public address system and they have many things to say:

The next train to arrive in 3 minutes is the southbound northern line train to Mordon via Bank.

Please move down the platform.

The next train to arrive in 2 minutes is the southbound northern line train to Mordon via Bank.

Please move down the platform. there is plenty of room at the other end of the platform.

Please stand behind the yellow line a train is approaching.

PLEASE STAND BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE A TRAIN IS APPROACHING.

Please allow customer to exit first.

PLEASE ALLOW CUSTOMER TO EXIT BEFORE GETTING ON THE TRAIN.

There is another train behind this one arriving in two minutes.

PLEASE ALLOW CUSTOMERS TO EXIT BEFORE GETTING ON THE TRAIN

The train is ready to depart, please stand clear of the doors.

THE TRAIN IS READY TO DEPART PLEASE STAND CLEAR OF THE DOORS

PLEASE STAND CLEAR OF THE DOORS, THE TRAIN IS READY TO DEPART

The next train to arrive in 1 minute is the southbound northern line train to Mordon via Bank.

Please move down the platform.

The next train to arrive in less that one minute is the southbound northern line train to Mordon via Bank.

Please move down the platform. there is plenty of room at the other end of the platform.

Please stand behind the yellow line a train is approaching.

PLEASE STAND BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE A TRAIN IS APPROACHING.

Please allow customers to exit first.

PLEASE ALLOW CUSTOMERS TO EXIT BEFORE GETTING ON THE TRAIN.

There is another train behind this one in two minutes.

PLEASE ALLOW CUSTOMERS TO EXIT BEFORE GETTING ON THE TRAIN

The train is ready to depart, please stand clear of the doors.

THE TRAIN IS READY TO DEPART PLEASE STAND CLEAR OF THE DOORS

PLEASE STAND CLEAR OF THE DOORS, THE TRAIN IS READY TO DEPART

They also give the all clear to the driver. From their position they can see it all. They also have a walkie talkie which allows them to talk to the control room.

 

[JBR]

Surprised there aren't more accidents on the tube with all those people on the platform desparate to get into the next sardine can and trains approaching with no chance of stopping.

Sorry to stray off-topic here, but wouldn't it be wise to install those glass barriers that are currently in some Underground stations in ALL stations? There would then be no way anyone could fall (or be pushed) on to the track.

Money, I suppose.