What amazes me is that some people actuallly believe we should have stayed in the EU

No helpful links, and no mention of any regulation, in your Irish Times. It only mentions the grey squirrel with reference to Western Ireland.

How do you feel about dairy calves, and poultry sheds?
 
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Oh, I thought it had a link on it. My mistake, apologies. Anyway, have a quick google, you will find. Was in the news today, at least I heard about it today.

Diary calves and poultry sheds - what do you think, with my not eating meat or buying animal tested/ingredients stuff? I don't like the meat industry no, not at all. I also hate halal for reasons obvious. Does that make me a racist again? Wanna eat meat? Fine, raise them naturally and stun them before slaughter. It's the least we can do as the more 'advanced' species.
 
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Milk production means that calves are taken from their mothers, most are then slaughtered very quickly. This is relevant to milk, cheese, butter, yoghurt etc.
http://www.whitelies.org.uk/animal-welfare/fate-calves

Eggs are produced in unpleasant conditions.

You don't mention Jewish ritual slaughter. Compliance with the dietary laws insists that animals are not stunned. Some might consider this to be inhumane.

Yet Halal meat can be stunned before slaughter. Some might consider this to be humane.

There are many farming practices that might be considered inhumane. Presumably you do not select your opposition based on the nationality, religion or ethnicity of the person practicing them. Some members of this forum do.

Here's your link. See article 18.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1417443504720&uri=CELEX:32014R1143
 
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Milk production means that calves are taken from their mothers, most are then slaughtered very quickly. This is relevant to milk, cheese, butter, yoghurt etc.

Eggs are produced in unpleasant conditions.

You don't mention Jewish ritual slaughter. Compliance with the dietary laws insists that animals are not stunned. Some might consider this to be inhumane.

Yet Halal meat can be stunned before slaughter. Some might consider this to be humane.

Here's your link. See article 18.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1417443504720&uri=CELEX:32014R1143
Yes I know, but forgot about Jewish. Of course it's as inhumane as is Halal (which, like kosher is exempt legally from stunning in the UK on religious grounds).
http://www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/slaughter
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/halal-and-kosher-slaughter

In this country not all halal meat is stunned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sho...house-film-reveals-horrific-animal-abuse.html
http://www.peta.org/features/agriprocessors/
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/slaughter/ALL///
I do not like any meat industry, no matter what religion that allows suffering. I do not like that there are animals out there that have never left a cage no bigger than itself, never felt the sun on it's face, a bird that has never stretched it's wings. In the name of profit, by greedy mankind.
As I said, eat meat, eat less of it but do it with more kindness.

I think your link is nearly 2 years old.
 
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Because it is (probably) impossible to insist that all, or indeed any, Jewish ritual slaughter must be stunned, I don't believe that it would be acceptable to insist that all Moslem ritual slaughter must be stunned.

I find some relief in the knowledge that most meat sold in the UK as Halal has been humanely slaughtered, and gains its status by having a prayer said over it. I have no objection to people saying prayers.
 
Because it is (probably) impossible to insist that all, or indeed any, Jewish ritual slaughter must be stunned, I don't believe that it would be acceptable to insist that all Moslem ritual slaughter must be stunned.
Shouldn't have to insist it, it should come naturally as the more 'advanced' species on the planet. We are supposed to understand kindness aren't we?

I find some relief in the knowledge that most meat sold in the UK as Halal has been humanely slaughtered, and gains its status by having a prayer said over it. I have no objection to people saying prayers.
Neither do I have a problem with prayer. It's the rest of the process I have a problem with. It's about 80% of the meat with stun, but that's still 20% too much - that's a fair few animals suffering a gruesome end to it's miserable life.
 
100% too much, surely, if you mean Kosher?
 
100% too much, surely, if you mean Kosher?
Yes, of course, goes without saying. I was responding to your last post about Halal and prayer, which is why I highlighted your post and wrote directly underneath it.

Please do not look for something that is not there. Thanks.
 
I've changed my mind.. am very pleased now the UK voted out!

The EU have decided to put a big cull list out of non-native species, including my much liked grey squirrel.
About time, fecking tree rats are a blight.

Worked at a place last week and there were rats everywhere. We had a lad whose job it was to shoot the critters from 5pm to 7pm during the production down-time window. As soon as the place vacated they all came out to scavenge. Every time you shifted something about a dozen of them would run out.
 
How very manly of you all.

Did you know that rats help find land mines left over from wars, and even TB? Kudos where it's due.
 
How very manly of you all.

Did you know that rats help find land mines left over from wars, and even TB? Kudos where it's due.
Everything has its uses like flies and bacteria. There is a time and place though.
Totally agree! But what makes humans the master of them all and in charge of animal's destiny whenever it suits us?
I can't help but think it's down to humans why we have such problems. Rats do well because we are dirty and leave rubbish everywhere, the grey squirrel was introduced to the UK by humans. Because it's good at survival (better than the reds) and are able to eat pretty much anything to live (unlike the Reds who can only eat certain things, and those things are depleted because we clear the land of their food source, mainly certain types of trees) then we go around killing lots of creatures. Not only do we kill lots, we do it in an inhuman way. We cause suffering to so many creatures and sorry you disagree, I don't think it's right.
 
Man make the problem - man solve the problem. The fact that there is suffering is a man made consequence. Can't get rid of man though can we?
 
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