What is the best Brexit deal we can realistically achieve?

[Doggit]

The EU has no need, and no desire, to punish Britain

What do you mean John. I think it was Junkers and a couple of others that said that they weren't going to give us a good deal.

Hard and soft Brexit are terms created by the media

Hard Brexit means we leave the customs union, and are then able to make trade deals with the rest of the world, but we then have to negotiate a trade deal and customs tax rates with the EU.

Soft Brexit means that we stay in the customs union, pay into the EU, have to put up with freedom of movement rules, as well as the ECHR rulings - so effectively, we're still in the EU.

There is Brexit, anything after that is what we negotiate as a free and democratic state.

And that's exactly what it should be, unfortunately, the likes of Mandleson, Gleg and Farron (and quite a few on this site) think they can justify trying to stay in by saying people didn't understand what they were voting for, and I suspect that was true, but that still doesn't make the result any less valid.

 

[JohnD]

I think .

Do you indeed.

 

[transam]

Do you indeed.

There u go usual suspects up to there tricks

blimey they could be politicians or get a job with the daily wail

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Hard Brexit means we leave the customs union, and are then able hoping to make trade deals with the rest of the world, but we then have hope to negotiate a trade deal and customs tax rates with the EU.

Soft Brexit means that we stay in the customs union, pay into the EU, have to put up with freedom of movement rules, as well as the ECHR rulings - so effectively, we're still in the EU.



And that's exactly what it should be, unfortunately, the likes of Mandleson, Gleg and Farron (and quite a few on this site) think they can justify trying to stay in by saying people didn't understand what they were voting for, and I suspect that was true, but that still doesn't make the result any less valid.

I have amended a couple of points in your comment to make it more accurate.
It makes the result a mistake, based on a false base and promise, just like running an election when it was not needed or wanted.

 

[EFLImpudence]

No one knows.

 

[Ihavenojob]

[QUOTE="JohnD, post: 3924770, member: 24560" as the resident nutter[/QUOTE]

 

[Doggit]

Do you indeed.

Yes, just as you do, only differently.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

You got the wrong part of Staffs Foxtrot.

I think not...With your inferiority complex, you're a clay 'ed......Stook un Trent, duck

 

[Roger928]

Do you indeed.

Says the bloke who posts up fake images of politicians brandishing armalites.

 

[SirGalahad]

If both parties go into the discussions being antagonistic then everyone will lose out.

The stance the UK should take is the following. Agree to remain within the EU based on the following : maintain freedom of movement of goods, services and capital but the managed movement of people. The benefits for the EU is the UK remains part of the single market and in return managing the movement of people is the only concession.

 

[motorbiking]

isn't that what cameron asked for and was sent packing ?

 

[noseall]

I think not..you're a clay 'ed......Stook un Trent, duck

Hell of a jaunt to my local golf course then innit. Brigadier knows where I live and it is definitely not Stoke. I say buck not buke (book).

With your inferiority complex

One common trait surrounding those with an inferiority complex is lying, fantasy and character changes.

I'll leave that with you foxtrot oscar fire and ice.

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

Hell of a jaunt to my local golf course then innit. Brigadier knows where I live and it is definitely not Stoke. I say buck not buke (book).

One common trait surrounding those with an inferiority complex is lying, fantasy and character changes.

I'll leave that with you foxtrot oscar fire and ice.

I'm a little confused here.. are you suggesting that I am someone else?... And I'm accused of being the fantasists..duck

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Now I am not a hard-nosed git, and I appreciate the gravity of the situation.
But at this rate we will just drop out of the EU without even having any negotiations:

Such a delay would mean the Queen's Speech, which had originally been planned for next Monday, could be delayed by at least a week and it could also delay the start of Brexit talks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40267771

What will be the next development? "Brexit talks delayed because the budgerigar escaped"?
Sorry for the flippancy, but what the heck has a fire in London, albeit possibly the worst one since the war, got to do with UK/EU talks?

Is the government intentionally avoiding these talks? It sure is beginning to look like it.

‘I can’t negotiate with myself’: Michel Barnier puts pressure on UK

https://www.ft.com/content/c9ee16d2-4f8a-11e7-bfb8-997009366969?mhq5j=e2

 

[motorbiking]

Nobody in authority has yet said the talks will be delayed. media speculation is just that.