Hillsborough All Over Again

[transam]

On the Andrew Marr prog this morning Hammond claimed that afa he knows the cladding used was banned for use in the UK on that type of structure

There were also owner occupiers in that block ??

 

[Roger928]

corbyns left wing acolytes and banner wavers have seized on the chance to blame the tories austerity measures as the cause of the fire.
Not only did they have a pretend election victory but now a terrible tragedy to shamelessly exploit.
If the tower fire had been started by a lightning strike it would still be the tories fault and the banner wavers would still be marching on downing street.

 

[Ihavenojob]

And why is everyone blaming the cladding when it was the emergency services that kept advising people to stay in their flats,

The flats SHOULD have been the safer place to be, the people giving advice could not have realised the impact the cladding would have.

 

[Doggit]

SHOULD being the operative word, and WOULD have under normal circumstances, but someone in charge of putting out the fire should have realised it was spreading beyond their normal understanding, and changed the evacuation procedures far quicker than they did.

The people who speced the cladding, authorised it, installed it and signed it off, are all negligent, but I think the final report will make a comment that more people could have been saved if the fire brigade had reacted earlier.

 

[JohnD]

more people could have been saved if the fire brigade had reacted earlier.

didn't the fire service arrive within six minutes of the call?

How much earlier do you think they should have been?

 

[transam]

speculation , here say, rumour opinion's etc etc

there will be a judicial enquiry , with interim reports with in month , which will be acted upon.

The police are involved in a criminal investigation , parts of the building have yet to inspected by the fire investigaters.

All of the bodies have not been recovered , afaik no funerals have taken place

And yet

We have grubby politicians trying to make political capital out of the disaster with in 24 hours.

Then u get the likes of JohnD & his sexist cronies with there lynch mob mentality the same bunch of fruit cakes who accuse other's of being extremists
whinging on about the daily wail that no one reads and the cost of a pair of trousers

Noseall from oop North chimes in he probably took his missis out for a slap up sunday lunch today Pie , chips and mushy peas

and whilst I am here I suppose a concilitary word for the ignored member him again , who for some reason does not like me

You will never know any thing about it as long as there is a hole in yer **** end

 

[JohnD]

It's great to know than transam intends to maintain a dignified silence.

I wonder when he intends to start? 4 posts today, 25 yesterday.

 

[Bosswhite]

SHOULD being the operative word, and WOULD have under normal circumstances, but someone in charge of putting out the fire should have realised it was spreading beyond their normal understanding, and changed the evacuation procedures far quicker than they did.

The people who speced the cladding, authorised it, installed it and signed it off, are all negligent, but I think the final report will make a comment that more people could have been saved if the fire brigade had reacted earlier.

First Fire Engine arrived within the required time of 6 Minutes, second Fire Engine within 8 Minutes that is the legal requirement, after that when additional fire engines and specialist vehicles ( i.e. ALPs ) are required that depends on availability

 

[Doggit]

didn't the fire service arrive within six minutes of the call?

How much earlier do you think they should have been?

Sorry John, I obviously need to appologise, but I'd thought even you would have reaslised that I was referring to the evacuation procedures I'd already mentioned in the previous paragraph.

 

[transam]

JohnD
pity u do not maintain a dignified silence

Then again u have no dignity with yer cruel , nasty , sexist slogans, all from the nasty piece of work that u are

And do not PM me I am not interested in what u think or yer BS

 

[transam]

JohnD
pity u do not maintain a dignified silence

Then again u have no dignity with yer cruel , nasty , sexist slogans, all from the nasty piece of work that u are

And do not PM me again I am not interested in what u think or yer BS

 

[JohnD]

Sorry John, I obviously need to appologise, but I'd thought even you would have reaslised that I was referring to the evacuation procedures I'd already mentioned in the previous paragraph.

yes, it's a pity that they did not guess earlier that a concrete tower designed with protected compartments had been turned into a giant roman candle.

 

[transam]

yes, it's a pity that they did not guess earlier that a concrete tower designed with protected compartments had been turned into a giant roman candle.

"Guess"

 

[Roger928]

yes, it's a pity that they did not guess

If you were standing outside the building watching the panels catch fire why would a professional fire fighter have to guess?
Scores of people seem to have saved them selves by ignoring authorities advice to stay indoors.

After 9/11 you would think it common practise to evacuate a tower block immiediately when a fire starts.

 

[transam]

yes, it's a pity that they did not guess earlier that a concrete tower designed with protected compartments had been turned into a giant roman candle.

Trial by guess work , a lynching by guess work by JohnD and his extremist cronies