A whiter shade of Black

[Deleted member 18243]

Slavery is illegal in UK..dopy...

Slavery is alive and well in the UK though! Much goes on.

Being illegal doesn't matter anymore anyway, haven't you noticed? Did you see the video of the cops running away from the mob in London on Saturday? It's a new low. Their previous tactic was to stand and watch criminals; now it's to run away like chickens. We no longer have any police in the Police Force, just as we no longer have any conservatives in the Conservative Party.

 

[Charlie George]

Durhamplumber evidently does not realise or refuses to accept that slavery was born out of racism.

And money may come into it.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

f@ck what a condescending tedious f&cking individual. imagine having to live with something like that

Evidently, you object to politeness and respect.
How does your comment avoid being silly, and how does it advance the discussion?
I would have thought that if your comment does not meet the criteria, of not being offensive, and advancing the discussion, then it has no value.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

And money may come into it.

Precisely.
The link that Notch7 added some time ago, and the reason why I mentioned slavery, it was an intellectual discussion about racism and its connection to slavery. What it wasn't, it wasn't a comment about slavery per se.
Whereas your comment was all about slavery and nothing else. There was no mention of racism, or its connection to racism. They are not inextricably linked.

Going back to that link, there was 3 streams to the thoughts about slavery.
ECONOMIC, CULTURAL and IDEOLOGICAL.
I assume you haven't read it.

Just to recap, for your benefit, (and I am paraphrasing Notch7, I'm sure he'll correct me if I paraphrase him incorrectly).
Notch7 suggested that money was the driving force behind slavery, and that racism was born out of that slavery, whereas my thinking was that racism created the enslaving of Africans.
We appear to have taken the opposing view of the both views expressed in the link added by Notch7.

I suspect both views have their merits. Perhaps a reasonable view is that which I mentioned above: slavery and racism are not inextricably linked.
Neither is a cause or effect of the other.

 

[ajohn]

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure everyone thinks that slavery is wrong, but the issue now is about racism, police brutality, and structural inequality.

I did have a look at UK deaths in custody. They looked to be proportional to race. Biggest number was white. So a question that needs answering is why. Not race if figures were correct.

Inequality. Some figures on O and A levels popped up. Top asian, next white rather lower black. Does this relate. Probably does but what can be done about it.

Great Britain colonialism. Yes used for a cheap source or raw materials but in some respects left some good. Others are being exploited these days for all sorts of things by all races that live in the UK and elsewhere. This in some ways leaves some good as well as living standards improve but eventually the work goes somewhere else where it's cheaper.

Housing. Can be a problem for all races.

People being hurt in riots by police. I don't think race comes into it but I know what went on in the miners strikes - brutality that I don't think would allowed these days but if police need to defend themselves which sometimes happens .............. On the other hand there are ~140,000 police. Some bad apples just like the public.

Pure racism. Yes we do have some of that but my feeling is that slowly but surely it's dying out. There will probably always be some.

Then some seem to think there is a simple solution.

 

[Brigadier]

Nobody erased history by chucking it into the Avon, in fact, it will now become infamous and we know more people now know of this statue and the man since it happened. Job done! Lol.

It'll be forgotten in a week. Job not done.

 

[mitch66]

I want them pyramids at Giza taken down. Poor slaves. Those awful Egyptians.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It'll be forgotten in a week. Job not done.

Funny you should say that, Brigadier.
The professor in Edinburgh, forget his name, he argued that statues should not be removed, but the narrative should include the evil, and the repercussions, because of these men represented by the statues.
His argument was to remove the statues, also removes the history of black people. Therefore they should remain, but with a balanced narrative of their history.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I want them pyramids at Giza taken down. Poor slaves. Those awful Egyptians.

Then start a protest movement.

 

[mitch66]

Then start a protest movement.

Not got a long enough rope

 

[durhamplumber]

Slavery is alive and well in the UK though!

Not legally it does not

 

[durhamplumber]

Fnck me you've changed your story..... Does Notch write all your material. ..........

Lmao,,,,tiptopline

 

[durhamplumber]

If you think that, you're struggling to understand the comments.

You struggle to not write bolox

 

[Trazor]

I want them pyramids at Giza taken down. Poor slaves. Those awful Egyptians.

It's now accepted they were not slaves, that built the pyramids.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Were they free masons?