Can you explain this?

[ellal]

Maybe they have attributed too many to covid but that just leaves the question of what are the rest?

Have you tried to get a GP appointment recently?

A friend of ours had a persistent mouth ulcer, but was told repeatedly to 'keep an eye' on it...

I've got one of those cheap endoscopes that link to a phone that I use if I need to see where to run a cable etc...

After a dip in sterilising fluid, picture taken and sent to the surgery by email.

'You better come in' was the reply - now awaiting a referral...

The many possibly dangerous/fatal illnesses that will be missed that wouldn't have been before is going to be the true toll of this!

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So - answer the death rate point, then.

Answer it how?
You mean explain why the death rate in UK is higher? Maybe something to do with lifestyle choices, etc.
For example, what is the average obesity rate in Sweden, compared to UK?
I don't know the answer, but it is questions along those lines that could explain the difference in death rates.

BTW, I'm not disagreeing with any of your points, just pointing out a potential reason for variances and inaccuracies.

 

[EFLImpudence]

My post was perfectly clear; why can you not understand?
It's really time wasting having to explain everything to you.

Explain why the 'experts' think the death rate would be ten times higher without lockdown.

 

[IT Minion]

No 'might be' about it...

And since we are about to enter a period of economic collapse not seen since the decade preceding WWII, then all bets are off!

Except The crap economy wa sthe foundation for Hitler's rise, not the declaration of war itself. From an economics/equipment perspective they were planning on kicking off in 1942. Again, a massive simplification.

My post was perfectly clear; why can you not understand?
It's really time wasting having to explain everything to you.

Explain why the 'experts' think the death rate would be ten times higher without lockdown.

The death rate is easily explained by Sweeden not systematically pushing potential carriers into care homes without testing.

 

[Ryler]

The crap economy wa sthe foundation for Hitler's rise,

Which proves the point that crumbling economies leads to war in many cases.

 

[EFLImpudence]

The death rate is easily explained by Sweeden not systematically pushing potential carriers into care homes without testing.

Is it?

What are you saying?

Without the care homes and lockdown, the UK death rate would be twenty times higher than it really should be?
Still ten times higher than Sweden.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

My post was perfectly clear; why can you not understand?
It's really time wasting having to explain everything to you.

No need to be rude. It's completely uncalled for.

Explain why the 'experts' think the death rate would be ten times higher without lockdown.

No idea. I hadn't given it any thought.
I thought you were referring to the difference between Sweden's mortality rate, and UK's.

 

[sodthisforfun]

That's a very good point.

The forecast of 500k deaths was clearly wrong.

When people say the UK should have done what Sweden has done, the reply is Sweden is not doing very well.
Well, Sweden has more cases per million (7,959:4,474) but fewer deaths per million (568:680) so actually not doing that badly.

So, without lockdown, why would the UK have ten times as many deaths?


The UK has the second highest deaths p/m (after Belgium) so something has gone wrong whichever way you look at it.
Maybe they have attributed too many to covid but that just leaves the question of what are the rest?

Last time I saw it was between .5 & 1% of deaths for every 1000 infected. So in a population of around 66 million people, perhaps the 500k death guess wasn't far off the mark.

And of course, all the other variables, the testing, the way we report it, our general health & age, ethnicity as a population, our health service, the way it's been handled.. I think it's going to be a long long time to find out all the facts, if we ever do at all.

 

[Ryler]

Sweeden not systematically pushing potential carriers into care homes without testing.

Are you saying the swedish authorities tested patients before they were allowed entry to their care homes?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Last time I saw it was between .5 & 1% of deaths for every 1000 infected. So in a population of around 66 million people, perhaps the 500k death guess wasn't far off the mark.

Ok. So Sweden should have 83,000 deaths. They have not.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Ok. So Sweden should have 83,000 deaths. They have not.

And of course, all the other variables, the testing, the way we report it, our general health & age, ethnicity as a population, our health service, the way it's been handled.. I think it's going to be a long long time to find out all the facts, if we ever do at all.

 

[IT Minion]

Is it?

What are you saying?

Without the care homes and lockdown, the UK death rate would be twenty times higher than it really should be?
Still ten times higher than Sweden.

The other way around, our death rate is so high in part because we managed to infect a decent fraction of care homes where the most vulnerable people were.

 

[EFLImpudence]

You are missing the point.

'Experts' say without lockdown the deaths would be 500,000.

Sweden - without lockdown - has nowhere near the proportionate number relative to the population.

 

[JohnD]

'Experts' say without lockdown the deaths would be 500,000.

Can you show us the document, and the names of people who signed it?

 

[Ryler]

Can you show us the document, and the names of people who signed it?

so deaths with the preventive measures we have taken with the 500k or so if we did nothing. We'll, obviously you can compare them one is awful, the other is ten times as awful.

You need to ask IT minion that question.
He/she should have the relative evidence you require.
That number has been bandied about on here for a while.