EU negotiations: will UK govt reach a deal or not

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Jeremy corbyn

You're obsessed. Let it go, its bad for your mental health. Bozza is in charge (titter) and Keir Starmer is leader of the opposition.

 

[Notch7]

No he didn't, he sold Brexit to win over the British electorate, which he did, with the help of the Labour party who shifted their position to 'remain' and voted in a nutter as leader.

Johnson manipulated the British public to vote for a Brexit that can't be delivered.
And ever since he and the British media have been ramping up EU hatred.


It's a miserable time for brexiteers.....all they are left with is two bad choices:

A bare bones deal that gives away fishing and agrees to LPF or
Chaos of no deal.

Both of which leave the Single Market which the UK doesn't have any infrastructure to deal with.

 

[SirGalahad]

Johnson manipulated the British public to vote for a Brexit that can't be delivered.
And ever since he and the British media have been ramping up EU hatred.


It's a miserable time for brexiteers.....all they are left with is two bad choices:

A bare bones deal that gives away fishing and agrees to LPF or
Chaos of no deal.

Both of which leave the Single Market which the UK doesn't have any infrastructure to deal with.

Disaster capitalism - looks like we have arrived at late stage capitalism.

On another note - Apple is now worth more than the FTSE 100 combined.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

In a trade war both sides lose until one side capitulates or both sides come to agreement.

Which both sides are aware of and is why they generally don't last that long.

A lot of damage is done, even if they don't last long.
The time taken to recover from that damage should be your more immediate concern.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Barnier is probably boozed up (hip flask) and has not got a scooby as to. What is actually going on

Strange how the

Well. Its not strange tbh Tis predictable

They hate this country so much? Dunno why they do nt join Himagin in France

Looks like they rejected him.

Both transam and ReganAndCarter are referring to some nebulous 'they' and 'him'.
Who is 'they', and 'him'?

If you are both referring to Michel Barnier, he is French.
If you are referring to 'remainers', there are many ex-pat remainers here.
If you are referring to me, I'm well established in France, working for a well established French organisation, teaching.

I suspect neither of you know who you are referring to. You're just making silly comments because that is the limit of your ability.

A word of advice for transam; your best friends are the ones who will tell you the truth. The one who will advise you that what you are doing is against your best interests, even though you don't like the advice.
As it is with 'remainers' they are advising the rest of their friends that what they are suggesting is economic and politically damaging.
They don't offer that advice because 'remoaners are hoping it all go's t*ts up'. They don't offer that advice because their friends don't like the advice. They are offering that advice because they don't want to see it go 'all t*ts up'. They are in it with their friends, if it does go 'all t*ts up'. But they want to avoid it, for themselves and their friends, if they can.

 

[fillyboy]

Both of which leave the Single Market which the UK doesn't have any infrastructure to deal with.

Given that over half of our trade is already outside of the single market, isn't suggesting we don't have the infrastructure to cope a little silly?

 

[fillyboy]

If you are both referring to Michel Barnier, he is French.

He's a ****.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Given that over half of our trade is already outside of the single market, isn't suggesting we don't have the infrastructure to cope a little silly?

I think Notch7 us suggesting that the UK infrastructure does not exist to handle the 50% of trade with EU.
The customs infrastructure does not exist, the companies are not ready, the legislation is not ready. There are a myriad of problems still waiting to be sorted.
And the PM is learning to drive diggers, laying bricks, visiting schools, arguing about who is to blame for the exams fiasco, oh, and blaming Labour for the problems.

 

[Lower]

If you are referring to me, I'm well established in France, working for a well established French organisation, teaching.

So what's your perception of what the french people you interact with think about brexit? Does it actually register on their radar?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

UK will have to concede on the lpf, otherwise there is no deal.
There is disagreement within the Tories.

With both sides seeking to heap pressure on the other ahead of the next formal negotiation round, scheduled to take place in London next week, Mr Barnier countered that the question of state aid, and other “level playing field” conditions for business, were indelibly bound up with the terms of market access.
“The UK’s proposals on air transport would allow British airlines to operate inside the EU without having to respect the same labour and environmental standards,” he said. “In the area of energy, the UK is asking to facilitate electricity trade without committing its producers to equivalent carbon pricing and state-aid controls.”..../


/... other ministers including Sajid Javid, former chancellor, and Andrea Leadsom, former business secretary. They had hoped to be able to sign up to an EU-style state aid regime that would include loopholes enabling certain interventions to help a select few industries.
Philip Hammond, Mr Javid’s predecessor as chancellor, warned this week that the UK risked being on “a fast track back to the misery of the 1970s” unless the government adopts clearly defined post-Brexit state aid rules.
https://www.ft.com/content/f798a3a0-1ce3-4082-8780-6f172f70779e​

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So what's your perception of what the french people you interact with think about brexit? Does it actually register on their radar?

It doesn't appear on their radar anymore. They gave up on UK seeing sense long ago.
There are more important issues than another country intent on committing political and economic self-inflicted damage.

 

[fillyboy]

It doesn't appear on their radar anymore.

I suspect more than a few French fishermen might beg to differ.

UK will have to concede on the lpf, otherwise there is no deal.
There is disagreement within the Tories.

All other issues, fish, tariffs, Ireland are merely side issues, the LPF has to remain a red line that can't be crossed otherwise brexit becomes pointless. No deal is preferable.

 

[Mottie]

And you don't understand that the EU will simply adjust their trade amongst themselves, and the other worldwide trade deals they have struck...

What does that even mean?

 

[IT Minion]

What does that even mean?

At a guess, the French will start manufacturing things that we formerly made and sell the to the Germans.

For example Cheddar cheese, currently protected in the EU but if we leave without a deal then that protection, I believe, lapses. Given that we've actively pushed to reduce GI protection that's a real risk, if we reduce the level of protection we give to EU GI products they are highly likely to reciprocate. Add in the 50% tarrif on Cheddar and the French will make their own cheese and eat it.

 

[EddieM]

At a guess, the French will start manufacturing things that we formerly made and sell the to the Germans.

For example Cheddar cheese, currently protected in the EU but if we leave without a deal then that protection, I believe, lapses. Given that we've actively pushed to reduce GI protection that's a real risk, if we reduce the level of protection we give to EU GI products they are highly likely to reciprocate. Add in the 50% tarrif on Cheddar and the French will make their own cheese and eat it.

Not the point of your post, but Cheddar cheese itself has no GI status and is already made in Germany.