True - but, as someone else said, I would not be concerned about 'safe zones', given that no-one is likely to be drilling through the mirror in the future. However, as I've just written, I would be concerned about any type of electrical joint (other than soldered) behind a massive 'stuck on' mirror.Doesn't stop it being out of safety zone.
Are there going to be doors on the wardrobe?
May have to remove the skirting to avoid clash, also the glass may clash too.
Soldering.
I think in the circumstances the glass creates a psuedo vertical safety zone and the new socket creates the horizontal. On that basis solder is the way to go, Personally I'd prefer to see both cables extended into the new socket rather than the spur.Yes, it's a very silly 'rule', as are many of the regulations. However, I think it only right that we should inform people as to what the 'rules' (no matter how silly) actually are, and then leave them to decide whether to comply with them. You rightly told the OP (twice, I think) that the regulations required him to have MF connections, so I think it is only right that he should understand that what he proposes to use (alone) would not qualify as 'MF' in the eyes of those regulations.
I have to say that it sounds as if these connections are going to be so 'inaccessible', that I would personally not want to use any type of spring-loaded connectors (even if 'MF'), nor even crimps. I would do anything I could to avoid having any joints at all behind this 'stuck on' mirror and, if that proved impractical, would probably not be happy with anything other than soldered joints.
Kind Regards, John
Why?Personally I'd prefer to see both cables extended into the new socket rather than the spur.
Future testing/faultfinding/maintaining service if something does go wrong and let's face it 2 joints isn't really any more work than one.Why?
As I've just written to you, I would not be concerned about 'safe zones' in this situation, but I would not want anything other than soldered joints behind that mirror.I think in the circumstances the glass creates a psuedo vertical safety zone and the new socket creates the horizontal. On that basis solder is the way to go, ...
I fear that would involve even more 'inaccessible' joints/JBs/whatever behind the mirror.... Personally I'd prefer to see both cables extended into the new socket rather than the spur.
I'm agreeing with you regarding the 'safe zone' created by the mirror and the soldered joints.As I've just written to you, I would not be concerned about 'safe zones' in this situation, but I would not want anything other than soldered joints behind that mirror.
I fear that would involve even more 'inaccessible' joints/JBs/whatever behind the mirror.
I don't really know why some people are so concerned about 'spurs', given that the same people are usually happy with branching radials.
Kind Regards, John
I would not personally have that concern with soldered 'junctions' (which I take to mean a joining of 3 or more conductors) but, as I said, I would do all I could to avoid any sort of totally inaccessible 'joining of conductors' - as I wrote ...I'm agreeing with you regarding the 'safe zone' created by the mirror and the soldered joints. .... Having too much experience of innaccessible joints and their failings, ie if one joint were to fail that socket will fail.
I've fallen totally out of love with hidden junctions. My preference is for hidden joints to be simple, ie not junctions and therefore I'll extend both cables whenever possible.
I have to say that it sounds as if these connections are going to be so 'inaccessible', that I would personally not want to use any type of spring-loaded connectors (even if 'MF'), nor even crimps. I would do anything I could to avoid having any joints at all behind this 'stuck on' mirror and, if that proved impractical, would probably not be happy with anything other than soldered joints.
It may be your 'preference' but, provided they are installed in a sensible and 'compliant' fashion, what sort of potential 'abuse' of spurs are you concerned about? If you are merely worried that they could be altered (e.g. added to) in a non-compliant (maybe even 'idiotic') fashion in the future, that is equally true of so many other things - and one really cannot 'plan for idiots'.My own preference is to avoid spurs on ring finals as they can so easily be abused, my current home had a ring final of only three sockets and one FCU however there were about a dozen other outlets formed by spurs feeding several sockets from the ring points and silly numbers of JB's.
Would a big picture be "stuck" (and also probably screwed) to the wall?Would we be worrying about a big picture being put on the wall? .... No, we wouldn't.
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