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[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Sex is factual.

And binary.

It is not a "feeling."

You keep applying the flexibility and ambiguity of what is today fashionably called "gender" and trying to say that it applies to sex.

It is quite different.

If you "choose" something, it may be your gender, but it is not your sex.

Sex is assigned (and sometimes it is a choice) by the person attending the birth.
It is sometimes ambiguous as evidenced by the numerous medical and scientific comments already presented. You have presented absolutely no evidence nor qualified opinion to support your view, despite repeating it ad nauseum.

At the registration of a birth the baby's sex must be also be registered (UK), and there is a time limit on registering the birth, 42 days, I believe.

There might be slight variations within England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. But as a general rule you should take the following information with you when you visit the registrar's office:

• the card issued by the hospital
• your marriage certificate (if applicable)
• the mum’s maiden name
• the full name of your baby
• your baby’s sex and their date of birth
• district and place of birth of your baby
• full names, dates of birth, full address(es) and occupations of the parents.

If you don't have all of these, the registrar might still be able to register that your child has been born.
https://www.nct.org.uk/life-parent/money-and-benefits/how-register-your-babys-birth



Information you need when registering a birth
When registering the birth, you should know:

• place and date of the birth
• name, surname and sex of the baby
• parents’ names, surnames and address
• places and dates of parents’ birth
• date of parents’ marriage or civil partnership
• parents’ jobs
• mother’s maiden surname

https://www.gov.uk/register-birth​

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

there could well be distinct advantages to this caper

I. E woman self identifying as men

Rarely, in sport, would there be any advantage for women to transition to a man, in order to compete with men.
Most sports rely on the competition of higher, faster, further, etc.
And this is designed to be a competition for males to compete against males.
Any innate advantage of women, such as grace or beauty*, rarely features in male sport.

* Of course grace and beauty are accepted as subjective descriptions.

It is recognised that there would be competitive advantages for males over females in the majority of sports. That is why any such incidents are so carefully considered and controlled.

 

[JohnD]

Sex is assigned (and sometimes it is a choice) by the person attending the birth.

Wrong.

Sex is not "assigned."

It is recorded.

Nobody makes a choice according to their preferences or desires.

Nobody says "we've been a bit short of girls this week so I'll record the next ten as female."

Or "I don't like girls so today I'll record all births as boys."

This is because sex is real. It is not a feeling, or a wish, or a desire, or a preference, or a whim.

You are thinking of what is today fashionably called "gender."

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Wrong.

Sex is not "assigned."

It is recorded.

Nobody makes a choice according to their preferences or desires.

Nobody says "we've been a bit short of girls this week so I'll record the next ten as female."

Or "I don't like girls so today I'll record all births as boys."

This is because sex is real. It is not a feeling, or a wish, or a desire, or a preference, or a whim.

You are thinking of what is today fashionably called "gender."

Sex of a baby is assigned by the person in attendance according to the genital anatomy evident.
But sometimes that genital anatomy is ambiguous and more qualified opinion is required.
I have provided medical and scientific evidence to support that view.
Due to the need to register a birth within a period of time, mistakes may be made, or errors based on the best guess may be recorded.
Today, in western culture the affected person has the opportunity to correct any errors. They can emerge as the opposite gender, if they wish, and can transition to the opposite sex, changing their recorded sex on their birth certificate if they so wish.

It isn't about the whim of the person in attendance, that's a fallacious comment.
It's about ambiguity in genital anatomy of babies at birth.

 

[noseall]

But sometimes that genital anatomy is ambiguous .

Rarely and has nothing whatsoever to do with a man wanting to compete in sports as a woman.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Rarely and has nothing whatsoever to do with a man wanting to compete in sports as a woman.

It was what the thread was about, and what I have, more or less, limited my comments to, the one incidence of a man transitioning to a woman, and then competing as a woman.
A person of whom we have no medical or personal details, other than that disclosed in the media.

 

[JohnD]

Sex of a baby is assigned

false

 

[JohnD]

errors

not relevant.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Sex of a baby is assigned

false

Assigned sex is a label that you're given at birth based on medical factors, including your hormones, chromosomes, and genitals. Most people are assigned male or female, and this is what's put on their birth certificates.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/sex-gender-identity


Sex assignment (sometimes known as gender assignment) is the discernment of an infant's sex at birth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment​

 

[JohnD]

Sex is not a label.

Sex is not "assigned"

What you write on a piece of paper does not determine your sex.

The words you use to describe yourself do not determine your sex.

 

[JohnD]

Incidentally, Bobby, can you answer this question?

(from your link)

"What are the differences between sex, gender, and gender identity?"

you keep talking about "Gender identity" and pretending it is "sex"

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

not relevant.

Mistakes and errors of sex assignment maybe of no consequence to anyone, other than the person affected by the error.
Fortunately the opportunity now exists to correct those errors.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Sex is not a label.

Sex is not "assigned"

What you write on a piece of paper does not determine your sex.

The words you use to describe yourself do not determine your sex.

• Sex is a label — male or female — that you’re assigned by a doctor at birth based on the genitals you’re born with and the chromosomes you have. It goes on your birth certificate.
  https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/sex-gender-identity

 

[JohnD]

Since the words written on a piece of paper do not determine your sex, an incorrect word does not change it, nor does crossing out an incorrect word and writing a different one.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Incidentally, Bobby, can you answer this question?

(from your link)

"What are the differences between sex, gender, and gender identity?"

you keep talking about "Gender identity" and pretending it is "sex"

Read the source.
Although you've already disagreed with the one aspect.