Mass shooting in Plymouth!

[JohnD]

Insufficient ones don't you think, considering his online activity.

feel free to guess, but remember that your guess is just a guess.

 

[Trazor]

feel free to guess.

Well my guess is that, the system failed when checking his suitability.

 

[noseall]

That's a new one on me - had to look it up.

RWR white terrorists. Greatest threat to the West at present.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Transam is correct in stating ban private ownership of fire arms in UK .

Beware of trying to create a society where everything you dont like or understand is banned because you dont like or understand it.

For what reason does a member of the public require a Firearm . ?

"Require"? Not many.

"Want" because they have an interest in target or game shooting? Beware of trying to create a society where people are not allowed hobbies and interests on grounds which do not survive rational analysis but are instead driven by dislike and ignorance.

Since the restrictions introduced after Dunblane, 17 people have been killed in shooting incidents like this.

In the same time period 57 have been killed by dog attacks in England & Wales alone.


For what reason does a member of the public require a dog?

Firearms must be kept and only used at a club .

Some already are.

As you say that creates a security risk - the more firearms and ammunition stored in one place the more it becomes of interest to terrorists and criminals.

Plus what about using them elsewhere for competitions?

And would you ban game bird shooting, deer stalking and pest control?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Insufficient ones don't you think, considering his online activity.

To what extent should the state have powers to monitor online activity on a "just in case" basis?

 

[charliegolf]

I don't know what checks, investigation and assessment was carried out. Do you?

I read a snippet that he was involved in an assault. Now, not clear whether there was a conviction/caution etc; and I'm not clear about whether a record disbars one from having a gun licence in a blanket way.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Same with cross bow owner ship imo

"Let me show you its features"

 

[Trazor]

Now, not clear whether there was a conviction/caution etc;

A conviction giving him a criminal record, would automatically revoke his licence.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

there is no reason why many ? Or any private citezin ? Requires a gun ?

There is not one single reason why any private citizen requires a car with a large internal combustion engine. Personal transportation requirements can be adequately met by cars with much smaller engines which do not therefore produce gratuitous greenhouse gases which do lead to deaths. If/when we get to the point where 100% EV use is feasible, shall we make all owners of IC engined cars hand them in?

 

[Bosswhite]

There is not one single reason why any private citizen requires a car with a large internal combustion engine. Personal transportation requirements can be adequately met by cars with much smaller engines which do not therefore produce gratuitous greenhouse gases which do lead to deaths. If/when we get to the point where 100% EV use is feasible, shall we make all owners of IC engined cars hand them in?

A car is not designed to specificaly kill people,
Re owning dangerous dogs , why do certain people want to own a dangerous dog ( Ego ?) not many chihuahua `s kill their owners compared to Bull Mastifs.
Game shooting , the Birds and animals are bred specificaly for people to go out and shoot them for pleasure ( again Ego)
Owning a gun that can kill people is just an Ego Trip .

 

[Captain Nemesis]

A conviction giving him a criminal record, would automatically revoke his licence.

Not necessarily.

Section 21 of the Firearms Act 1968 prohibits a person from possession of any type of firearm if they have been given a custodial sentence when convicted of a criminal offence.

• If they have received a custodial sentence (including a suspended sentence) of between 3 months and 3 years then they are prohibited for a period of 5 years from the date they are released.
• If they have received a custodial sentence of 3 years or more then they are prohibited for life, from the date of release.

The prohibition may be lifted on application to the Crown Court.

Also see https://nechambers.co.uk/firearm-licence-revocation-appeals/

 

[JohnD]

There is not one single reason why any private citizen requires a car with a large internal combustion engine.

Just like wanting a gun, or a big fierce dog, it is definitely not to compensate for a shortcoming in the trouser department.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

A car is not designed to specificaly kill people,

Indeed not. Nor are all guns, BTW. And in the UK at least people dont legally acquire guns with any intent to kill people.

But having a car with an unnecessarily large engine does unnecessarily exacerbate climate change.

Re owning dangerous dogs , why do certain people want to own a dangerous dog ( Ego ?) not many chihuahua `s kill their owners compared to Bull Mastifs.

People have been killed by small terriers.

Game shooting , the Birds and animals are bred specificaly for people to go out and shoot them for pleasure ( again Ego)

Are you a vegetarian?

Or is eating animals for pleasure which have been bred specifically to be killed to provide you a pleasurable meal OK?

Owning a gun that can kill people is just an Ego Trip .

As I said - your reasons for calling for a total ban are rooted in personal dislike and ignorance.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Just like wanting a gun, or a big fierce dog, it is definitely not to compensate for a shortcoming in the trouser department.

Whatever the reasons, we balance personal liberties against risks and harms. We do not have, nor I suspect would most people want, a society where we ban things which are not 100% necessary when proper regulation and management reduces the risks and harms to a very low level.

If a case can be made, that is one thing, but whenI look at transam and bosswhite I see people driven by animus and ignorance.

 

[IT Minion]

The rate of firearms incidents in the UK is pretty low. Tweaking the rule a bit and ensuring we take more action when someone who has a firearm has mental health issues seems reasonable.