LOL I was thinking that when I posted. Look at it however you like it really is a serious problem.
Mass shooting in Plymouth!
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LOL I was thinking that when I posted. Look at it however you like it really is a serious problem.
ok, I shoot a small bore single shot bolt action rifle, at a designated club, approved by Police Firearms, and have undergone the usual background checks, which have been "beefed up" and quite rightly to, I do not want to be on the same firing line as someone who is [obviously] proven to be mentally un stable.
I have been dipping in and out of this thread, there are a lot of Mis Conceptions in several posts, that is one problem, the general public's understanding of the complexities of owning and shooting [whatever] weapon.
For example, to "own, keep, and fire" a Pump S/Gun you need a Section 1 Shotgun Certificate, not just a A shotgun Cert.
Cut to the chase.
The local Police Firearms screwed up very, very, very badly, the shooter should never ever, ever had his weapon returned at all, until his mental state had been professionally assessed
On return of any firearm following the weapon removal a full and comprehensive back ground check is required to be undertaken by the local police Firearms, must ask here why were the shooters posts on social media not looked at??
This really horrendous situation is reminiscent of Dunblane ??? where weapons were removed and returned.
It is not really that difficult , I am also a member of an Air Rifle club, up here we have to have an Air Weapons License to own, hold, use such weapons, to be clear that includes all under 12 Ft Lbs rated guns.
In this Air gun club we use Facebook as the main contact point, we have a designated member who vets all applications from this source, first thing he does is to check back over the profile on Facebook for that person, anything that causes alarm or doubt and that person is told, sorry there are no vacancies at present, the club regularly gets calls from Police Scotland Firearms asking if [whoever] is a member at the club.
Why??
To purchase, hold and use [even] an Air Weapon in Scotland you must have a good reason, they are
1/. Be an existing member of a club
2/. have permission from a land owner that clearly states you need an air weapon for "Vermin Control"
Sorry to bang on But the local police Firearms screwed up big style. The official system needs sorting out, all the checks are there and available to the Firearms Police, why were they not fully used, even a simple Facebook search, not rocket science??
Ken.
I have been dipping in and out of this thread, there are a lot of Mis Conceptions in several posts, that is one problem, the general public's understanding of the complexities of owning and shooting [whatever] weapon.
For example, to "own, keep, and fire" a Pump S/Gun you need a Section 1 Shotgun Certificate, not just a A shotgun Cert.
Cut to the chase.
The local Police Firearms screwed up very, very, very badly, the shooter should never ever, ever had his weapon returned at all, until his mental state had been professionally assessed
On return of any firearm following the weapon removal a full and comprehensive back ground check is required to be undertaken by the local police Firearms, must ask here why were the shooters posts on social media not looked at??
This really horrendous situation is reminiscent of Dunblane ??? where weapons were removed and returned.
It is not really that difficult , I am also a member of an Air Rifle club, up here we have to have an Air Weapons License to own, hold, use such weapons, to be clear that includes all under 12 Ft Lbs rated guns.
In this Air gun club we use Facebook as the main contact point, we have a designated member who vets all applications from this source, first thing he does is to check back over the profile on Facebook for that person, anything that causes alarm or doubt and that person is told, sorry there are no vacancies at present, the club regularly gets calls from Police Scotland Firearms asking if [whoever] is a member at the club.
Why??
To purchase, hold and use [even] an Air Weapon in Scotland you must have a good reason, they are
1/. Be an existing member of a club
2/. have permission from a land owner that clearly states you need an air weapon for "Vermin Control"
Sorry to bang on But the local police Firearms screwed up big style. The official system needs sorting out, all the checks are there and available to the Firearms Police, why were they not fully used, even a simple Facebook search, not rocket science??
Ken.
There is a lot of "feelings" about the sub 12 license in Scotland elsewhere in the UK.
I for instance shoot one in the back garden. Target shooting. It involves concentration. Mentioned once and some one asked how big is your garden. Doesn't matter really. the precautions and don't does are the things that do matter. I've shot something or the other for periods over my most of my entire life starting at the age of 9.
I've also shot at clubs. All sorts actually even bullet types that are at the limit of what a human can realistically shoot. Currently no clubs as have had a lay off it for several years. I will sort one out eventually.
People who don't or never have shot don't understand this. For some it turns into a challenge. Actually it does for many in some way or the other what ever they shoot.
The latest England change on sub 12 ft lbs concerns under 18's. No unless supervised. It will take a while to see how effective that is. FAC weapons and shotguns have been like that for a long time other than age doesn't matter. The owner of a FAC gun has to get a fire arm certificate and that is not that easy and never has been really. Shotguns a little different - a specific certificate just for those. There are all sorts of reasons for that including leisure shooting. Again checks are made.
I for instance shoot one in the back garden. Target shooting. It involves concentration. Mentioned once and some one asked how big is your garden. Doesn't matter really. the precautions and don't does are the things that do matter. I've shot something or the other for periods over my most of my entire life starting at the age of 9.
I've also shot at clubs. All sorts actually even bullet types that are at the limit of what a human can realistically shoot. Currently no clubs as have had a lay off it for several years. I will sort one out eventually.
People who don't or never have shot don't understand this. For some it turns into a challenge. Actually it does for many in some way or the other what ever they shoot.
The latest England change on sub 12 ft lbs concerns under 18's. No unless supervised. It will take a while to see how effective that is. FAC weapons and shotguns have been like that for a long time other than age doesn't matter. The owner of a FAC gun has to get a fire arm certificate and that is not that easy and never has been really. Shotguns a little different - a specific certificate just for those. There are all sorts of reasons for that including leisure shooting. Again checks are made.
ajohn
Believe it or not??
Yes I hold an AWL [Air Weapons license] but an not allowed to shoot my gun in my own back yard. The AWL regulations do not allow it Why?
1/. The pellet may ricochet and land in a neighbours land. even if I am using a pellet catcher, The fact that I can hit a 20.mm target at 40 Yards?? consistently ??? is ignored, indeed in this context irrelevant.
2/. I am not permitted to take my air rifle out of a bag or case because my rear yard is less that 25 Yards from the center line of a carriageway.
3/. I could not shoot a rat in my rear yard because I do not have permission to act as in a vermin control function.
Such are the rules as regards [even] air weapons ??
Out of interest I fully agree with all of them, they are there to make [even] air weapons safe as possible.
The above gives a wee insight into the world of "Gun Control" in the UK??
I wonder what other "controls" will be enforced following this latest disaster?
Wonder if I will need to "adjust" my avatar??
Ken.
Believe it or not??
Yes I hold an AWL [Air Weapons license] but an not allowed to shoot my gun in my own back yard. The AWL regulations do not allow it Why?
1/. The pellet may ricochet and land in a neighbours land. even if I am using a pellet catcher, The fact that I can hit a 20.mm target at 40 Yards?? consistently ??? is ignored, indeed in this context irrelevant.
2/. I am not permitted to take my air rifle out of a bag or case because my rear yard is less that 25 Yards from the center line of a carriageway.
3/. I could not shoot a rat in my rear yard because I do not have permission to act as in a vermin control function.
Such are the rules as regards [even] air weapons ??
Out of interest I fully agree with all of them, they are there to make [even] air weapons safe as possible.
The above gives a wee insight into the world of "Gun Control" in the UK??
I wonder what other "controls" will be enforced following this latest disaster?
Wonder if I will need to "adjust" my avatar??
Ken.
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What if you don't have a FB or social media profile?
What other background checks should be done? References from friends, family, Police?
What does happen is that Police Firearms actually visit you in your home, to ensure that the gun cabinet [mandatory] is secured to a wall or similar, at the same time they get a feel for your home life style.
They also visit in person your neighbours and ask questions.
They will also [at least] make a telephone call to your employer [if you have one] if you are on Social Security there is no way you could afford to shoot???
There is also at least a telephone call to your GP, I have a problem there I have not seen my GP in [about] 5 Years, but I have to pay the GP for a letter
in the case we are discussing WHY, WHY did the local Firearms not [at least] visit the shooters home address??? and talk to the shooters Mother.
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I am not against banning Guns but it does seem we have a robust vetting system but that may have failed on this occasion?
First thing my wife does when she advertises a job and receives a bunch of cv's is to check facebook history, a quick and efficient method of weeding out 'nutters'.
C
Captain Nemesis
OOI, and totally off-topic, what does she do if she finds zero trace of them on FB?
C
Captain Nemesis
Certainly has.
Lets hope they get to the bottom of that failure and fix it, rather than going for another knee-jerk banning.
C
Captain Nemesis
Let me show you its features....
C
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C
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Thats an unhelpful argument. Knives are actually needed by everybody. Whatever your views on gun control/gun ownership you cant argue that many people need a gun.
But it would be a pretty fundamentalist Marxist society organised around the idea that people are entitled to have only what they need.
If I lived in the states I would want a gun
because every one else has got one and the place is full of fruit cakes
I would have a pump action shot gun
and one of them Dirty Harry guns
a magnum ? Or may be one of them 007 guns ? Good enough for bond than it’s good enough for Transam
because every one else has got one and the place is full of fruit cakes
I would have a pump action shot gun
and one of them Dirty Harry guns
a magnum ? Or may be one of them 007 guns ? Good enough for bond than it’s good enough for Transam
