Immigration Crisis

[Pat ex]

He was no doubt suckered in by claims of a land of milk and honey and a country keen to welcome him, feed him, house him and give him money for free. He probably didn't understand that he'd have to falsely claim asylum and opted to be honest to people who had initially treated him well.

He was well aware of the difference between asylum and illegal immigration. He was aware of the requirements for a skilled work visa.
Maybe he was fooled into thinking the UK Government would look kindly on honesty.

I feel sorry for him because his case is no different to many, but he opted for honesty and got deported and banned.

Yep. He's now learnt that the UK Government doesn't value honesty.

The point I'm making is these illegals are all committing criminal offences while residing in France and we know the French authorities are happy to fine ex-pats for Schengen violations, so why turn a blind eye some days to illegal immigrants. You seem to think France has no blame in the growth of these illegals

The point I'm making is that France, just like UK does not have an abundance of reserves to cope with the additional Asylum Seekers. It takes more than its fair share, and you want France to protect UK's borders as well.
That's what Brexit was about, for UK to take back control of its borders, now you're still not happy.

As i said, there is a legal and safe way for ex-pats to apply for carte de sejour. There is no legal, nor safe way for asylum seekers to claim asylum.
If there was no legal nor safe way to feed yourself, you could be forgiven for stealing food. but as there is a safe and legal route, it's a crime.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to add up 450-600mm (avg width of a human adult) x 15-16 x 2 (the configuration) Plus another 800-1200 for the bow and the same again for the stern pontoon sections abaft the transom (where the motor sits) and we have minimum dimensions of 8M.

More like 10 people per side, at 400mm each and more in the middle. Your rocket science is failing you. Or your estimates are being swayed by your prejudice.

Of course if they are not guilty of any crimes why would the French police use tier gas to intercept them?

That's the kind of violent confrontation that you want day in day out, several times a day, to stop asylum seekers seeking asylum.
UK wanted control over it borders. It has it, what is it doing with that control? It wants someone else to control its borders.

 

[motorbiking]

No I want them to stop them and ask them to account and if they are in France without authority deport them. Just as the UK deports people who don't claim asylum who arrive in the UK. I'm sure French citizens particularly those living in northern France don't want their towns blighted either. The solution is not to turn a blind eye most of the time, but to stop people and ask them to account and perhaps ask those at the end of Schengen to police their borders better.

The easier its made, the more will come. The more that are intercepted and returned the fewer are likely to waste money on an expensive 3rd class boat trip.

More like 10 people per side, at 400mm each and more in the middle. Your rocket science is failing you. Or your estimates are being swayed by your prejudice.

Bigger than 2.5M and definitely carrying more than 12 people. Here are some examples left on the UK beaches. They look about 25-30ft long to me.

 

[Notch7]

Bigger than 2.5M and definitely carrying more than 12 people. Here are some examples left on the UK beaches. They look about 25-30ft long to me

they dont look very seaworthy

 

[Notch7]

Things appear to have improved in a number of areas but not jobs or salaries. When I attempted to drive all the way to Greece advice was to stay out of the place as it was too dangerous. Tito's communism though was pretty impressive. That was in the 70's, I'm sure I we were followed and even stopped at times by some form of security people. The youth hostel was the best I have ever stayed in. A caravan holiday park complete with decent food. Some German ones left by Hitler were also pretty good. Austria less so.

I went on a daytrip from Corfu

it included a meal at a cafe -and I noticed an albanian man just 3 tables away with a hand gun in his pocket

then the tour guide took us for a walk around the town -and a couple of teenager went by waving a semi automatic rifle

the town was like Beirut in the 1970s

 

[Notch7]

Of dodging a bullet, both physically and metaphorically I see you left off.
Ever the apologist notchy.

poor Gant so easily brainwashed by the Daily Mail

 

[gant]

Did you get must do better on your homework notchy?

 

[Pat ex]

No I want them to stop them and ask them to account and if they are in France without authority deport them.

Of course you do, you think that France has unlimited resources to cope with all the asylum seekers.
In fact anything would do as long as UK doesn't take its fair share, including taking control of UK borders because UK is incapable.

Just as the UK deports people who don't claim asylum who arrive in the UK.

Except they don't, not even the ones they catch, if ever. And they don't deport the failed applicants either.

I'm sure French citizens particularly those living in northern France don't want their towns blighted either.

I'm sure western nations in general wish the problem would go away, but you can't legislate human behaviour out of existence.

The solution is not to turn a blind eye most of the time, but to stop people and ask them to account and perhaps ask those at the end of Schengen to police their borders better.

The solution is to recognise that wars, and weapons create asylum seekers, and to create legal and safe channels for those asylum seekers created by the arms manufacturers.

The easier its made, the more will come. The more that are intercepted and returned the fewer are likely to waste money on an expensive 3rd class boat trip.

You wish.

Bigger than 2.5M and definitely carrying more than 12 people. Here are some examples left on the UK beaches. They look about 25-30ft long to me.

Altered perspective with a wide angle lens.
How's that rocket science going?

 

[ajohn]

No I want them to stop them and ask them to account and if they are in France without authority deport them.

Where to?
You just can't get to grips with the overall effects of the convention can you. One aspect is they are asylum seekers. Seeking to come here.

 

[noseall]

I haven't got Nosey on ignore as I don't take him that seriously. He is fine on certain subjects and is a book lover, but on politics he never says much more than slogans, and rarely makes a full sentence.

Examples: "Gammon flag shagger"; "Nonsense"; "Putin apologist" and his all time classic "Brexit is a pile of poo".

Putin apologist?

You've got the wrong poster boyo.

 

[ajohn]

You've got the wrong poster boyo.

He gets confused, He - well that's assumed.

 

[ic1927]

I went on a daytrip from Corfu

it included a meal at a cafe -and I noticed an albanian man just 3 tables away with a hand gun in his pocket

then the tour guide took us for a walk around the town -and a couple of teenager went by waving a semi automatic rifle

the town was like Beirut in the 1970s

I was in Tirana earlier this month and the place was as safe and friendly as any country I've been to. Albanians suffered under the dictatorship of Enver Hoxha for 40 years until his death in 1985, it's a lot better there now.

 

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Notch wants one million such migrants to come here every year (he said so in an earlier post).

There may be gov info somewhere. More here but obtained via freedom of information - odd that isn't it

Gender and age of illegal boat crossers

1. Over 41,300 people have come to the UK illicitly in boats since the start of 2018. 16,500 of these came in the period January 2018 and to the end of June 2021.[ See our Channel Tracking Station to stay on top of the numbers coming in boats, URL...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

That link mentions boat crossings in 2018; posters on here denied they were coming at that time. It’s important to mention this, because the same posters are still here calling the likes of me a liar.

Putin apologist?

You've got the wrong poster boyo.

If you think I am calling you this, you have misunderstood.

it proves the opposite, the men are the ones prepared to take the risks

it is women, children and the elderly who are less able to cope with the arduous journey

The men are the advance guard. Once they are established here, they will bring their families, just as the Pakistanis have done.

 

[noseall]

If you think I am calling you this, you have misunderstood.

If you think I have written those words then you need to decrease your medication. Utter nonsense.

Brexit is still and always has been - poo.

 

[motorbiking]

Where to?
You just can't get to grips with the overall effects of the convention can you. One aspect is they are asylum seekers. Seeking to come here.

To be an asylum seeker, one must claim asylum. Otherwise you are an illegal immigrant.

 

[motorbiking]

Altered perspective with a wide angle lens.
How's that rocket science going?

Another with a no doubt wide angled lens. Looks over 25ft carrying around 30 passengers. P&O could learn a trick here, wasting their money on big ships and all these dingy manufacturers who waste time and effort getting CE mark certification. Just set up in France, no body cares.

and another at least 20 ft long carrying 25-30 people.

No respectable manufacture would produce boats of this size, due to the inherent instability, not to mention the inability to make it comply with DIRECTIVE 2013/53/EU

they dont look very seaworthy

Indeed - you have at least 2.5 tonnes of load, no rigid hull, a motor that can barely push you along and a vessel likely to fold /twist if it has to deal with any kind of wave frequency. The transom is held on with sticky tape, so if that opens the two pontoons will separate and everyone will be dumped in the sea. There have been vessels similar to this with 100 people used in the med and sadly they frequently drown despite the warmer water. The traffickers don't care, they know they will be picked up by border force, coast guard or RNLI taxi service if anything goes wrong. The channel despite being tidal, busy and cold is a much shorter crossing than Africa to Italy via the med. It doesn't matter if you are at sea for 30 mins or 30 hours, you'll drown very quickly if you have no floatation.

In the Med the boats are way worse, probably 150 people on this one: