Vive La France!

[motorbiking]

So men have no say in the treatment of an unborn baby? Woman should be free to abort at 32 weeks as it’s their body?

Over simplifying the issue and abusing people because of their point of view gets nowhere.

Babies born or unborn are humans and potential humans. They need society to protect them as much as toddlers and geriatrics from abuse.

That is why we have a termination time limit form socio / economic terminations.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So men have no say in the treatment of an unborn baby? Woman should be free to abort at 32 weeks as it’s their body?

Over simplifying the issue and abusing people because of their point of view gets nowhere.

Babies born or unborn are humans and potential humans. They need society to protect them as much as toddlers and geriatrics from abuse.

That is why we have a termination time limit form socio / economic terminations.

Its you (and a few others) that are trying to simplify it.

Every case and reason is individual, but you are not differentiating for any of the possible reasons

Let the woman decide for herself, there are sufficient checks in place .

It's the woman's body and life and mental situation. What right do you have to be involved in it.

 

[noseall]

Babies born or unborn are humans and potential humans. They need society to protect them

More right wing nonsense.
A woman should be free to chose to abort if she wishes, within the term time agreed. She can access councilors or medics if she needs to.
What she does not need are barmy religious right wing politicians interfering with her freedom to chose.

 

[denso13]

If the pregnancy isn't viable, then there are procedures to deal with that problem.

If an ectopic pregnancy isn't aborted then the mother will die. What else did you have in mind?

 

[Notch7]

How many council house girls become lawyers.
Most of them end up working part time in lidls or Home Bargains or having more kids.
Nothing wrong with the above.
Britian needs more babies.

You keep denying facts

making abortion illegal has these consequences:

1) it does not reduce abortion rates
2) women with money travel to another country or use an illegal backstreet clinic
3) poor women who cant afford a way to get an abortion end up having a child in poverty, it condemns to a life of poverty

there is plenty of evidence to prove the above, Ive posted it on here

the fact you refuse to listen to facts and keep on repeating your uninformed nonsense is your problem....you are a narrowminded bigot who has had a life of being brainwashed by Unionist idiocy

 

[Notch7]

They have been made available via telephone consultation. That is how a woman got abortion drugs when 34 weeks gone. She was jailed.

that only happened during covid

and telephone consultation is not "bought on the internet" or "over the counter" as dishonest Vinty claims

 

[Notch7]

She could also put her child up for adoption.
Lots of childless couples out there.
Then again you think death is preferable to adoption.

so how come there are over 100,000 children in care

and why should you, a man dictate that a woman should have to go through 9 months of pregnancy just because of your ideological narrowmindedness?

you care about babies, its just faux outrage

 

[Notch7]

Women are inflicting it upon themselves.
They aren't forced to have an abortion.
Stop talking shyte.
Women having babies doesn't cause poverty.
Millions of women have babies and lead normal lives.
Times are changing.
America seems to be coming to its senses.
Abortion will be outlawed in every state.
Britain will eventually follow suit.

So women are inflicting getting pregnant by themselves?

nothing to do with men then?

 

[Notch7]

Times are changing

yes thankfully, the majority of people in modern societies have grown up views unlike you:



Ireland has voted by a landslide to repeal its near-total ban on abortion, an extraordinary victory for women’s rights that seals the country’s transformation from bastion of religious conservatism to one of Europe’s most tolerant democracies.

Ireland votes by landslide to legalise abortion

Leo Varadkar vows legal terminations by end of year after huge vote for change

www.theguardian.com

 

[Notch7]

America seems to be coming to its senses.
Abortion will be outlawed in every state.
Britain will eventually follow suit.

WRONG WRONG WRONG

American people do not support making abortion illegal:


"Currently, 61% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 37% say it should be illegal in all or most cases."

Public Opinion on Abortion

While public support for legal abortion has fluctuated some in two decades of polling, it has remained relatively stable over the past five years.

www.pewresearch.org

America only managed to reverse abortion laws because of the politically biased supreme court, there is no public mandate for it



Sorry Vinty your outdated views are not supported anywhere in the West, perhaps its best you keep your nonsense to yourself

 

[motorbiking]

More right wing nonsense.
A woman should be free to chose to abort if she wishes, within the term time agreed. She can access councilors or medics if she needs to.
What she does not need are barmy religious right wing politicians interfering with her freedom to chose.

You are the one wanting to reduce the time limit from 24 weeks to 14 weeks.

Or have you changed your mind ?

 

[motorbiking]

Its you (and a few others) that are trying to simplify it.

Every case and reason is individual, but you are not differentiating for any of the possible reasons

Let the woman decide for herself, there are sufficient checks in place .

It's the woman's body and life and mental situation. What right do you have to be involved in it.

On an individual basis - none whatsoever. At a society level of course we all have a say in our law indirectly. I for example would not support nosealls proposal to align with the French time limit. Not because I don’t think the earlier the better, but because 90% happen in under 10 weeks and I would not wish to criminalise a person who had decided to abort at 20 weeks.

I don’t kid myself that it’s not the destruction of a human life once we get over 20 weeks.

 

[Notch7]

I don’t kid myself that it’s not the destruction of a human life once we get over 20 weeks

I don’t think anybody is suggesting that

The problem is the pro lifers who want to focus on the over 20 week terminations as though that’s the majority.

I would imagine for most of those women it would be an extremely traumatic decision

 

[carmanmemoranda]

On an individual basis - none whatsoever. At a society level of course we all have a say in our law indirectly. I for example would not support nosealls proposal to align with the French time limit. Not because I don’t think the earlier the better, but because 90% happen in under 10 weeks and I would not wish to criminalise a person who had decided to abort at 20 weeks.

I don’t kid myself that it’s not the destruction of a human life once we get over 20 weeks.

And at no point have any of the "pro lifers" made any reference or had any comment about the rights of the women involved.

Once you allow them their say, with medical oversight, then the position is clear.

Back off, let them decide. Every single 1 has a very individul reason, none of which have been allowed for by the right wing males in here.

 

[JohnD]

It's a pity that religious fundamentalist nutters like Rees Mogg think that a ten-year old girl raped by a child molester should be compelled to give birth to the rapists child.

I know a woman who gave birth to four children who all died, as it was known they would, shortly afterwards. She should not have been forced to endure this torture.