Rape gangs. Why does the Home Office minister not want a national public enquiry?

[Mottie]

So you think it’s correct for you to call people “Jew haters” without evidence.

But you think it’s wrong for me to call people “Muslim haters” without evidence.

I can see you are wriggling like a fish on a hook and swerving like crazy so I’ll make it clear for you. I said, it's ONLY wrong for you to call people Muslim haters without showing evidence when you start demanding evidence of others that use the term Jew haters. If YOU are using the term ‘Muslim hater', either produce your evidence when asked or kindly STFU about asking for 'evidence' when others use the term Jew haters.

 

[motorbiking]

You are a silly spineless disingenuous lying scumbag. And this bullshít post...


Is still WRONG.


However, here is some good reading...
A number of high-profile cases - including the offending in Rotherham investigated by Professor Alexis Jay,3 the Rochdale group convicted as a result of Operation Span, and convictions in Telford – have mainly involved men of Pakistani ethnicity. Beyond specific high-profile cases, the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending. Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly White.

Or here...

Research on offender ethnicity is limited, and tends to rely on poor quality data. It is therefore difficult to draw conclusions about differences in ethnicity of offenders, but it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending. • A number of studies have indicated an over-representation of Asian and Black offenders in group-based CSE. Most of the same studies show that the majority of offenders are White.

Or here...

Most grooming gang offences carried out by white men, police chiefs say​

New figures from the police database show that, where ethnicity data was available, 85% of “group-based” child abusers were white in the first three quarters of 2024.


Richard Fewkes, NPCC
The same data for the whole of 2023 showed 83% of offenders were white.

Give it up boyo.

 

[Notch7]

I can see you are wriggling like a fish on a hook and swerving like crazy so I’ll make it clear for you. I said, it's ONLY wrong for you to call people Muslim haters without showing evidence when you start demanding evidence of others that use the term Jew haters. If YOU are using the term ‘Muslim hater', either produce your evidence when asked or kindly STFU about asking for 'evidence' when others use the term Jew haters.

Mottie, it seems that you understand that you shouldn’t make an accusation without evidence

Mottie, please can you kindly explain why you don’t apply that to yourself, as you have used the term “Jew hater” several times without foundation.


Come on, stop getting angry, just explain your actions

 

[Mottie]

Mottie, it seems that you understand that you shouldn’t make an accusation without evidence

Mottie, please can you kindly explain why you don’t apply that to yourself, as you have used the term “Jew hater” several times without foundation.


Come on, stop getting angry, just explain your actions

If I explain my actions, will you explain yours?

 

[noseall]

Finally, after dozens of posts, you accept that this report is irrelevant to the subject.

The one you insisted was relevant you mean....

Table 1, section 4.1 its been posted several times.

Explain how Table1, section 4.1 shows the breakdown of ethnicity amongst the offenders (he won't he cant)....

I'll wait...

 

[Mottie]

Mottie, it seems that you understand that you shouldn’t make an accusation without evidence

Mottie, please can you kindly explain why you don’t apply that to yourself, as you have used the term “Jew hater” several times without foundation.


Come on, stop getting angry, just explain your actions

Ok. Me? I look at the general attitude of the poster, the content they post, the bias they show and make a decision. Now, how about you? Where’s your Muslim haters evidence?

There you go, I’ve kindly explained as you asked. Your turn now or are you thinking up another question to drag this out and avoid answering or are you going to provide your 'evidence'?

 

[noseall]

Finally, after dozens of posts, you accept that this report is irrelevant to the subject. Well done.

Or did you mean this table which shows offences committed by ethnicity against the general population...

 

[motorbiking]

Finally you get that the data that is being shown that "proves" White men are over represented. is irrelevant.

Or did you mean this table which shows offences committed by ethnicity against the general population...

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The one you insisted was relevant you mean....

Explain how Table1, section 4.1 shows the breakdown of ethnicity amongst the offenders (he won't he cant)....
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I'll wait...

 

[noseall]

nonsense - you don't have data to back that up.

Perhaps you mean the Home office report, that you yourself linked and attempted to justify your lie....
Research on offender ethnicity is limited, and tends to rely on poor quality data. It is therefore difficult to draw conclusions about differences in ethnicity of offenders, but it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending. • A number of studies have indicated an over-representation of Asian and Black offenders in group-based CSE. Most of the same studies show that the majority of offenders are White. • Community and cultural factors are, however, relevant to understanding and tackling offending. An approach to deterring, disrupting, and preventing offending that is sensitive to the communities in which offending occurs is needed.


A number of high-profile cases - including the offending in Rotherham investigated by Professor Alexis Jay,3 the Rochdale group convicted as a result of Operation Span, and convictions in Telford – have mainly involved men of Pakistani ethnicity. Beyond specific high-profile cases, the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending. Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly White.


Or did you mean this data from the police database....

Most grooming gang offences carried out by white men, police chiefs say​

The vast majority of grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) has said.


New figures from the police database show that, where ethnicity data was available, 85% of “group-based” child abusers were white in the first three quarters of 2024.

Offences where grooming gangs are involved are predominantly white. There is not a significant issue here with any particular ethnicity or setting

Richard Fewkes, NPCC
The same data for the whole of 2023 showed 83% of offenders were white.

 

[noseall]

Finally you get that the data that is being shown that "proves" White men are over represented.

Over represented? I never mentioned that. You are being a lying spineless disingenuous scumbag again.

My whole argument, is about your lying post here...

It is not white British males committing the majority of rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs. There are plenty of official reports confirming this and I have posted them for the forum idiots to appraise themselves of.

WRONG.

Most grooming gang offences carried out by white men, police chiefs say​

The vast majority of grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) has said.


New figures from the police database show that, where ethnicity data was available, 85% of “group-based” child abusers were white in the first three quarters of 2024.

Offences where grooming gangs are involved are predominantly white. There is not a significant issue here with any particular ethnicity or setting

Richard Fewkes, NPCC
The same data for the whole of 2023 showed 83% of offenders were white.

 

[motorbiking]

Over represented? I never mentioned that. You are being a lying spineless disingenuous scumbag again.

My whole argument, is about your lying post here...

WRONG.

Most grooming gang offences carried out by white men, police chiefs say​

The vast majority of grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) has said.


New figures from the police database show that, where ethnicity data was available, 85% of “group-based” child abusers were white in the first three quarters of 2024.


Richard Fewkes, NPCC
The same data for the whole of 2023 showed 83% of offenders were white.

Its not correct.

Firstly Child Sexual Abuse Offences have nothing to do with "rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs". Do you realise you've relied on data that is irrelevant to the point I was making?

give it up boyo.

 

[Deleted member 317777]

Who put 50p in Boyo? He’s really triggered

 

[noseall]

the point I was making?

This point lie here is the only one I'm concerned about....

It is not white British males committing the majority of rape abuse against kids, via rape gangs. There are plenty of official reports confirming this and I have posted them for the forum idiots to appraise themselves of.

WRONG.

Most grooming gang offences carried out by white men, police chiefs say​

The vast majority of grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) has said.

New figures from the police database show that, where ethnicity data was available, 85% of “group-based” child abusers were white in the first three quarters of 2024.

Offences where grooming gangs are involved are predominantly white. There is not a significant issue here with any particular ethnicity or setting

Richard Fewkes, NPCC
The same data for the whole of 2023 showed 83% of offenders were white.
A number of high-profile cases - including the offending in Rotherham investigated by Professor Alexis Jay,3 the Rochdale group convicted as a result of Operation Span, and convictions in Telford – have mainly involved men of Pakistani ethnicity. Beyond specific high-profile cases, the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending. Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly White.
Research on offender ethnicity is limited, and tends to rely on poor quality data. It is therefore difficult to draw conclusions about differences in ethnicity of offenders, but it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending. • A number of studies have indicated an over-representation of Asian and Black offenders in group-based CSE. Most of the same studies show that the majority of offenders are White.

 

[noseall]

Which of those offences do you think are relevant to group based rape gangs?

hint: less than 30%

Actually group based offending accounts for roughly 3.7% of all CSE/CSA crimes. What is your point?

 

[Mottie]

I’m still waiting, Notch.