Responsibility of electrical intake equipment in flats

[SUNRAY]

Seems appropriate to reply to this one:

On here.

Current update one month on: Our DD had just been set at £4:23p to accout for our FIT and zero gas usage

Hmmm let me see now, apparently our gas heating no longer uses gas and by some miracle we are feeding electricity into the network, perhaps our devices are running backwards

 

[SUNRAY]

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OK, never heard of that arrangement, but we live and learn

In every lamp standard for a start.

 

[JohnW2]

Who brought the law into it?

Seemingly you, since it is in terms of "the 'law" that 'smart' meters are not currently 'compulsory'.

In terms of contracts such as I have illustrated, by contractual agreement the installation of "ANY" sort of metering equipment (presumably as chosen by supplier) pis 'compulsory'',should the supplier wish to exercise that compulsion" - although, as said (repeatedly) no suppliers seem yet to have felt the need to exercise that contractual 'compulsion'.

 

[fixitflav]

In every lamp standard for a start.

I got that from your #41. That's why I said (in a domestic or commercial property).

 

[JohnW2]

It seems that when people start quoting "post numbers" it usually means that they feel the need to 'have the last word'

 

[fixitflav]

It seems that when people start quoting "post numbers" it usually means that they feel the need to 'have the last word'

That brings to mind something about pots and kettles
And what does quoting post numbers have to do with it?

 

[JohnW2]

That brings to mind something about pots and kettles

I quite often manage to be such a pot without often mentioning post numbers

And what does quoting post numbers have to do with it?

Oh, what a game - try #53 & #64

 

[SUNRAY]

FWIW I had a single phase unmetered supply for a number of years, it consisted of 3/0.036 double insulated tails from a 3ph head to a metal FCU with 3A fuse with the equipment flex connected directly. There were several similar services and several metered supplies, about 8 tails altogether from the 3ph head. When I took the service over in 1994 I was paying £28 +VAT. It would have been around 2008 I was paying close to £60 inc VAT. We did a change of customer name and address (as he passed away) and automatically a meter was fitted, the first year it showed I used less energy than predicted but the commercial meter rental (supplier would not accept amateur radio was non commercial) took the cost to around £150.

I got that from your #41. That's why I said (in a domestic or commercial property).

That is in a hill top radio mast site running a radio repeater and very much classed as a commercial site, back in the 1970s there would have been multiple radio services on the site for services such as: taxi, bus, delivery services, blue light, maybe 30-40, most would have the energy included in their site rental and simply plugged into a 30A ring on a metered supply. In our case we are on the site as guests of the site owner on the expectation we would contribute to the site by being a local accessible key holder and perform housekepping and cover our own energy costs, the provider (SEEBoard at the time) either measured or accepted our own figures for maximum and minimum power draw and charged at that 12/12/365. As I wrote there were several similarly connected services but with the growth of mobile phones the number of radio systems on the site diminished quickly. Currently only mine on site along with the 4G & 5G phone (2G & 3G no longer), Pager and Airwave. There were 8 metered supplies but now just 4 with the amalgamation of the multiple phone networks from 7 a few years back to 2.

 

[ericmark]

I am getting confused, a gas powered amateur radio repeater?

Hmmm let me see now, apparently our gas heating no longer uses gas and by some miracle we are feeding electricity into the network, perhaps our devices are running backwards

That is in a hill top radio mast site running a radio repeater

 

[fixitflav]

That is in a hill top radio mast site running a radio repeater and very much classed as a commercial site, back in the 1970s there would have been multiple radio services on the site for services such as: taxi, bus, delivery services, blue light, maybe 30-40, most would have the energy included in their site rental and simply plugged into a 30A ring on a metered supply. In our case we are on the site as guests of the site owner on the expectation we would contribute to the site by being a local accessible key holder and perform housekepping and cover our own energy costs, the provider (SEEBoard at the time) either measured or accepted our own figures for maximum and minimum power draw and charged at that 12/12/365. As I wrote there were several similarly connected services but with the growth of mobile phones the number of radio systems on the site diminished quickly. Currently only mine on site along with the 4G & 5G phone (2G & 3G no longer), Pager and Airwave. There were 8 metered supplies but now just 4 with the amalgamation of the multiple phone networks from 7 a few years back to 2.

Thanks for that, interesting. We learn something new every day!

 

[fixitflav]

Oh, what a game - try #53 & #64

I still don't see what's wrong with quoting post numbers, or what it has to do with lastworditis

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

As I've written (more than once) to the best of my knowledge, NO supplier has yet attempted to force a 'smart' meter onto anyone, presumably not the least because they are still finding enough customers who accept such a meter without any argument to enable them to achieve the government-imposed targets.

As I understand it, they are not meeting those targets, the limitations seem to be supply and fitting of the new meters, rather than customers refusing them.

 

[JohnW2]

I still don't see what's wrong with quoting post numbers, or what it has to do with lastworditis

There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing it, and I'm sure that (for reasons I've presumably considered reasonable), I've quite often done it myself.

However light-hearted comments, particularly at weekends, are far from unknown in this forum

 

[JohnW2]

As I understand it, they are not meeting those targets, the limitations seem to be supply and fitting of the new meters, rather than customers refusing them.

Maybe - but, for what it's worth, the supplier of my own house (which currently does not have a 'smart' meter) very frequently 'offer' me a SM, albeit with absolutely no 'pressure', which presumably implies that they could obtain and fir one if I took them up on their offer?

If/when the day comes, I will wish them well in establishing communications - which would require their equipment to be better than our mobile phones at getting a reliable and usable signal within the house (I think that 'seriously thick walls' has a fair bit to do with that!)

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing it, and I'm sure that (for reasons I've presumably considered reasonable), I've quite often done it myself.

However light-hearted comments, particularly at weekends, are far from unknown in this forum

Better than the 'poster #55' that a certain rather strange member tends to use, deliberately trying to be offensive in their replies - which are so often ill-informed anyway..