EICR and fuse box

[ebee]

Am I misinterpreting the opening statement on this thread?
Is it a case of asking a few electricians until you find one that gives an answer favourable to a wallet?
Am I misreading what was said?

The whole point of an EICR is to give an accurate reflection of the safety of the installation and the severity of any shortcomings in a sensible way.

The one consideration is safety to people, livestock, property.
Once that has been addressed then any consideration of whether it costs £hundreds, £thousands or thrupence can be addressed!

 

[yartin]

Am I misinterpreting the opening statement on this thread?
Is it a case of asking a few electricians until you find one that gives an answer favourable to a wallet?
Am I misreading what was said?

The whole point of an EICR is to give an accurate reflection of the safety of the installation and the severity of any shortcomings in a sensible way.

The one consideration is safety to people, livestock, property.
Once that has been addressed then any consideration of whether it costs £hundreds, £thousands or thrupence can be addressed!

Yes you are.

 

[ebee]

Ok that’s good then

 

[yartin]

Ok that’s good then

Good, go back to work now and keep busy.

 

[ericmark]

I have tried to be serious, early 90s my son passed his RAE (radio amateur exam) and I wanted to keep him safe. This was before we had consumer units like seen today, so I got an 8 module adaptable box to house two 4 module wide RCD's. This was fitted before the two Wylex fuse boxes like you show, so I had RCD protection with Wylex fuse boxes.

Pictures can show what you have, but not what you don't have. The RCD's would every so often have a bout of tripping, no faults found, but we're looking for a way to cure the problem, either auto resetting (now banned for domestic) and the X-pole which gives a warning, but sold house before I got around to it.

The EICR looks for potentially dangerous, not complies with BS 7671, so if all sockets were RCD sockets, then the potential danger is removed, assuming tenants not allowed to drill or knock nails in walls, but it is still non-compliant. And total cost of sockets

is likely far more than a new consumer unit, so what is the point.

 

[plugwash]

The whole point of an EICR is to give an accurate reflection of the safety of the installation and the severity of any shortcomings in a sensible way.

From a certain point of view yes.

From another point of view the point of an EICR is to demonstrate that your installation is "satisfactory" for continued rental.

If two electricans see the same defect but one codes it as C3 and the other as C2 that can make the difference between a landlord needing being able to continue renting out their property with no further costs or being forced into expensive remedial work to keep their property legal.

 

[plugwash]

And total cost of sockets View attachment 384816 is likely far more than a new consumer unit, so what is the point.

From a certain perspective the "point" is that it's not notifiable, so someone could replace all the sockets in a property they own without having to get an electrician involved. I could easilly see that making up for the extra £140 or so in parts (20 RCD sockets at £13 each is £260 whereas a CU with 6 RCBOs can be had for £120.

And I'm not convinced you would have to replace every socket, the EICR guidance talks about sockets that can reasonably be expected to supply equipment outdoors.

 

[yartin]

671, so if all sockets were RCD sockets, then the potential danger is removed, assuming tenants not allowed to drill or knock nails in walls, but it is still non-compliant. And total cost of sockets View attachment 384816 is likely far more than a new consumer unit, so what is the point.

It's cheaper for a landlord to replace sockets with RCDs, it's a simple DIY job, replacing a CU isn't and cost few hundred £s.

PS. Make you reply short in case you decide to, no essays.

 

[pete01]

Rcd sockets look shyte and they don't solve the buried cable issue, give up a months rent and change the board...you know it makes sense

 

[yartin]

I was merely replying to a post. DO not assume.

 

[plugwash]

Rcd sockets look shyte and they don't solve the buried cable issue,

Which brings us back to the whole inconsistent coding thing, according to the electrical safety council guidance non-rcd protected burried cables are "only" a C3, but apparently there is a version of the NAPIT codebreakers book that lists them as C2..........

 

[pete01]

Which brings us back to the whole inconsistent coding thing, according to the electrical safety council guidance non-rcd protected burried cables are "only" a C3, but apparently there is a version of the NAPIT codebreakers book that lists them as C2..........

Yep C3, but if I was renting a house out I'd get it improved as recommended.

 

[pete01]

I was merely replying to a post. DO not assume.

Me? I don't assume or care really

 

[yartin]

Me? I don't assume or care really

Good, go back to work now.

 

[pete01]

Good, go back to work now.

Na finished early today