Climate Change

[Deleted member 317777]

The debate is settled on man made climate change. Find a new topic.

That’s a bit rude!!

 

[Brigadier]

Writing a book on JFK - is that the best debunking you can do. Here are the rest of his credentials that you missed.

Col. Prouty spent 9 of his 23-year military career in the Pentagon (1955-1964): 2 years with the Secretary of Defense, 2 years with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and 5 years with Headquarters, U.S. Air Force. In 1955 he was appointed the first "Focal Point" officer between the CIA and the Air Force for Clandestine Operations per National Security Council Directive 5412. He was Briefing Officer for the Secretary of Defense (1960-1961), and for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

And then disappeared down a rabbit hole, and up his own Gary

 

[JP_]

Let me explain to you why people may be confused about my statement that I believe everything in this post. Two words are missing - not mentioned once - Man Made, it doesn’t even mention CO2. So I have no argument with any of the statements above climate change is real.

But that doesn't explain you earlier reply to me, that i don't care about it.

 

[aveatry]

But that doesn't explain you earlier reply to me, that i don't care about it.

It depends if you believe in the man made part or not

 

[aveatry]

And then disappeared down a rabbit hole, and up his own Gary

Maybe but what he says about the history of oil is interesting and not necessarily incorrect.

 

[MNW67]

It depends if you believe in the man made part or not

What about you? I am sure I have seen you say on occasion that you believe it is man made. But mainly you seem to say that you don't.

 

[JP_]

It depends if you believe in the man made part or not

No, this is what you said. You clearly claim that i don't care, nobody mentioned cause of the global warming. So, again, why don't you think i care?

 

[aveatry]

What about you? I am sure I have seen you say on occasion that you believe it is man made. But mainly you seem to say that you don't.

I accept that a VERY very very very very very very very small amount could be man made yes. But whole man made bit is played on and exaggerated to tax us more gov basically pay climate scientist to come up with man made hypophysis and then the gov use that to generate extra tax. - Don't believe me then.
Tell me that I do not have to pay an extra £2,125 in car tax for an electric car

The Expensive Car Supplement (ECS) imposes an additional Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) of £425 annually for five years on vehicles with a list price exceeding £40,000. Initially targeting high-end luxury cars, this surcharge was extended to include electric vehicles registered from April 1, 2025
Tell me I do not have to pay any VAT on the cost/ installation/ upgrading of rads/ labour to fit heat pumps or solar.

Tell me that Environmental taxes do not raise £54.3 billion in the UK in 2024,

UK environmental taxes - Office for National Statistics

The value and composition of UK environmental taxes from 1997 to 2024, by type of tax and economic activity, and comparisons with other European countries.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[aveatry]

No, this is what you said. You clearly claim that i don't care, nobody mentioned cause of the global warming. So, again, why don't you think i care?

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Do you believe in man made climate change yes or no

 

[JP_]

Do you believe in man made climate change yes or no

Yes, of course. But why do you accuse me of not caring, and then refuse to say why?

Wrt to human impact, of love to hear the argument against it, in face of the overwhelming evidence for it. But i guess you'll just make some crap up.

 

[MNW67]

Yes, of course. But why do you accuse me of not caring, and then refuse to say why?

I am intrigued as well!

 

[MNW67]

Tell me that Environmental taxes do not raise £54.3 billion in the UK in 2024,

Most of it seems to be VED and fuel tax, which we have always had. In fact, it is interesting to see in the link that environmental taxes are actually at the lowest since records began.

 

[aveatry]

Yes, of course. But why do you accuse me of not caring, and then refuse to say why?

I just wanted to first clarify that you believe in the man made bit - so now you say you do then the reason I say you do not really care is this ----

Thinking about holiday for 2025.
Just got back from Rome,

having had my boarding pass stamped in Zurich airport yesterday.
Google it, loads of people are having to have their boarding passes stamped.

My wife's flight home to visit her parents was cancelled about 30 minutes before departure time.
Effing nightmare! You don't expect that on a £2k long-haul flight!

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Although a fantastic Diesel engine came to being in 1998...

The PSA HDi unit.

Still going strong and sounding like new in my 21 year old van. Never left me stranded in 18 years of ownership.

Will never moan about French scoundrels again.

 

[aveatry]

Most of it seems to be VED and fuel tax, which we have always had. In fact, it is interesting to see in the link that environmental taxes are actually at the lowest since records began.

Not sure if the environmental part has always been there

Then there is also the green levy on domestic fuel

The green tax is applied to dual bills for electricity and gas, which are common in the UK. In 2022, the tax amounted to 8%–9%, which for an average energy bill of £2,500 a year, amounts to a levy of roughly £200.

Some of this ends up in the hands of Dale vince through grants etc and then he uses some of that money to finance just stop oil who go and disrupt traffic to force government to invest in more green - which results in more cash going to dale vince ------ feel scammed yet.
I know he no longer finances just stop oil - before people start !