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PCP vs Cash when buying a car question.

Do you read the DM?

There are shoite-loads of articles hating EVs floating around.

The oil-industry must be worried, otherwise why else would these scare-mongering stories be getting fed to the press?

Look at the statistics of fires with ICE vehicles. And failure rates?

How unreliable are some ICE cars?

There is a hell of a lot less to go wrong on an EV.

As to how the Chinese economy works, I can't say, that's between them and BYD.

But regarding the rest, give your noggin a wobble!
usual nonsense from you without giving it proper research.... Also do a wee bit of research into the next engine that will be coming out that will trounce electric engines .. After you struggle come back and i will give you a hint
 
usual nonsense from you without giving it proper research.... Also do a wee bit of research into the next engine that will be coming out that will trounce electric engines .. After you struggle come back and i will give you a hint
A H H H Hint?

That's been around ages.

And how many stations are there?

How many cars are there?

How kind to the environment is the production of Hydrogen and how sustainable is it?

In the long term batteries are better as a means of propulsion because there will soon be newer battery tech that is cheaper, charges quicker, gives better mileage etc..
 
In the long term batteries are better as a means of propulsion because there will soon be newer battery tech that is cheaper, charges quicker, gives better mileage etc.
Why would anyone want to buy one now then, if next year they will be twice as good?
 
Why did my first-born's ST (a god-awful racket in a baby - blue hue) cause me to want to vomit within five minutes then?

That is an extreme example.

It's too early to tell.

But if there is a measurable increase in car sickness from EVs, then I can appreciate that the silent acceleration would be a likely cause.
 
Why would anyone want to buy one now then, if next year they will be twice as good?

Really?

Don't be silly. That's the most ridiculous argument ever.

All tech is like that. Just think of any techie thing you ever bought.

Now compare it with the equivalent today.

Didn't stop you buying it did it?

And you didn't think, "Oh, I better not buy this because there's going to be a better one out next year...."
 
And how many stations are there?

How many cars are there?

How kind to the environment is the production of Hydrogen and how sustainable is it?
Your long departed American cousins were saying exactly the same thing about 'motor spirit' when cars started to show themselves. You could only buy it in shops and some chemists. No petrol stations, very few cars, not kind to the environment (as they didn’t know or care about it back then) and didn’t know how much of the stuff was about.
 
I know what you're saying, but when you look at how hydrogen is manufactured (as it will have to be in vast quantities, just like electricity is), there are two methods. There are others, but the two most common are Steam Methane Reforming and electrolysis.

Electrolysis uses electricity to split water into its component atoms.
Which only begins to have environmental credence if the electricity is renewable.

You may as well bypass the hydrogen forming process and stuff the electrons into an EV and off you go.

The other method, SMR, uses the methane taken from natural gas and reacts it with steam under pressure using a catalyst.
This produces hydrogen and carbon monoxide. The CO is then further reacted with steam to produce additional hydrogen and CO², the latter of which is then removed.

This method is hardly environmentally sustainable as you are having to use fossil as your starting point to make the hydrogen.
 
I see someone has never heard of white hydrogen a recent field discovered in france can supply the entire global demand for at least 2 years with all the major oil/gas companies stepping up exploration with fields being found throughout the globe .
 
That is an extreme example.

It's too early to tell.

But if there is a measurable increase in car sickness from EVs, then I can appreciate that the silent acceleration would be a likely cause.

Mate did the same to me, in his little old Metro; it was just the way he drove it ("enthusiastically").

WRT "silent acceleration", it is not compulsory to gun it everywhere.

Honestly, if there is any effect, it will drowned out by the much greater effect of how the car is driven.

As I posted earlier, car sickness has been a thing since cars were invented. But it is just trendy and "on message" to make a story about everything nowadays.
 
Mate did the same to me, in his little old Metro; it was just the way he drove it ("enthusiastically").

WRT "silent acceleration", it is not compulsory to gun it everywhere.

Honestly, if there is any effect, it will drowned out by the much greater effect of how the car is driven.

As I posted earlier, car sickness has been a thing since cars were invented. But it is just trendy and "on message" to make a story about everything nowadays.
lol, are you on the payroll of the EV association? You seem to be very anti anyone simply discussing that motion sickness might be an issue. I don't think anyone is asserting EVs are 100% bad, however people are entitled to raise any actual and/or perceived issues.

From the articles I've read, I am 100% confident there are people who don't experience motion sickness in ICE vehicles but do in EVs. Whether you choose to believe that or not is irrelevant.
 
lol, are you on the payroll of the EV association? You seem to be very anti anyone simply discussing that motion sickness might be an issue. I don't think anyone is asserting EVs are 100% bad, however people are entitled to raise any actual and/or perceived issues.

From the articles I've read, I am 100% confident there are people who don't experience motion sickness in ICE vehicles but do in EVs. Whether you choose to believe that or not is irrelevant.

I'm just speaking as I find, from personal experience.

30 years of ICE, a year of EV.

Funny how some dismiss reports and studies as it suits them, stating that they "use their own eyes, and look around for themselves", yet when someone else reports on their own experiences, they poo-poo them.

I never said either was 100% good or bad, only that in my opinion, driving style will be a much bigger factor.

An EV easily goes and stops just the same as any ICE, unless the driver is unable or unwilling to control it properly.
 
You seem to be very anti anyone simply discussing that motion sickness might be an issue


I'm anti people conflating, just because they're ideologically opposed to EVs.

As I have said repeatedly, you can drive with just the same characteristics, or you can just sit there and hold on. Which you can likely also do in a premium ICE, with its Lane assist, ACC, and powerful and quiet engine.

The driver makes the experience, either actively or passively.
 
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