Small boat crossings

[Highway Man]

We have very little control. It all depends on France being willing. And they aren't.

Yes but they could "smash the gangs" why are they not doing it?

 

[MNW67]

Yes but they could "smash the gangs" why are they not doing it?

Do you mean smash them completely to try to stop illegal migrants entering the EU in the first place. Or do you just mean the part which involves them getting here from France. The first is a multi billion a year industry. The EU is trying. But it's a bit like saying why don't we just stop drugs.

 

[aveatry]

Is any part of smash the gangs- stopping a lorry load of dinghy's on its way to the French coast and impounding the contents or are scumbag lefty lawyers onto of this saying they have not yet committed a crime.

 

[Lirefighter]

Do you mean smash them completely to try to stop illegal migrants entering the EU in the first place. Or do you just mean the part which involves them getting here from France. The first is a multi billion a year industry. The EU is trying. But it's a bit like saying why don't we just stop drugs.

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That's a brilliant idea.
Any apprehended drug shipments across borders should be given safe passage, the dealers housed, and given a few bob to make sure they are safe before sending them on their way with their payload.
Anything else would be inhumane.
Yep, I can smell your irregular movements from here.

 

[MNW67]

That's a brilliant idea.
Any apprehended drug shipments across borders should be given safe passage, the dealers housed, and given a few bob to make sure they are safe before sending them on their way with their payload.
Anything else would be inhumane.
Yep, I can smell your irregular movements from here.

 

[MNW67]

Is any part of smash the gangs- stopping a lorry load of dinghy's on its way to the French coast and impounding the contents or are scumbag lefty lawyers onto of this saying they have not yet committed a crime.

There actually was a problem with that, although I can't remember the details. The boats mainly come from Germany and the Germans couldn't intercept them for some reason. But I believe Germany has changed or is changing the law to allow this.

 

[Highway Man]

Do you mean smash them completely to try to stop illegal migrants entering the EU in the first place. Or do you just mean the part which involves them getting here from France. The first is a multi billion a year industry. The EU is trying. But it's a bit like saying why don't we just stop drugs.

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The gangs that are in France and beyond that are human traffickers, very easy to find them and arrest them. They are not doing it on purpose.

 

[motorbiking]

They are if they don't seek assylum there. Then they cannot seek assylum here.

correct they are illegals. If they come to the UK having lived in France for a period, it would be grounds for refusal.

Not under French law.

incorect

The French track U.K. border force and they would not allow them to dock and unload.

The British boats are hardly going to start shelling the French are they


Oh dear, I’ve used your own argument against you and made ya look very silly.

Reform Party supporting muppets like you are easily destroyed.

they have no legal power to stop them. We've done this before.

They have to register as assylum seekers or face possible imprisonment and being deported

correct - they must claim asylum otherwise they are illegals

No, in France they don't.

Nonsense

Neither. France is different.

similar rules, via different laws

Where the hell is @motorbiking when you need him. He will shed light on this for us. I cannot really argue the point other than what I have read, I may be interpretting it wrong,

Denso seems to have misunderstood the illegal residence laws. Up until 2012, you could be fined and imprisoned in France for residing in France without Legal authority. That is entirely different to entering the country without a visa or right which has always been an offence. The illegal residence law is being reinstated. It was shelved due to an ECJ ruling.

Entering or staying in France without the required visa or right to reside is considered an immigration offense with potential penalties including imprisonment and fines, with specific provisions outlined in the “Code of Entry and Residence of Foreigners and the Right to Asylum” (translated from French) and of course the Schengen Convention.

https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/texte_lc/LEGITEXT000006070158/

France's immigration offences related to illegal entry and stay

Illegal Entry and Stay under CESEDA: Article L. 621-1 of CESEDA can lead to up to one year of imprisonment* and a fine of €3,750 for entering or staying in France in violation of visa regulations or the authorized period of stay. (Case law in the ECJ said they should be deported not imprisoned https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2008/115/oj/eng)

Schengen Convention Violations: Article L. 621-2 of CESEDA, referencing the Schengen Convention, also specifies a penalty of up to one year imprisonment and a €3,750 fine for entry in violation of specific articles of the Convention.

Subtraction/Attempted Removal: Remaining on French territory beyond the authorized period, even if initially granted entry with a visa, is an offense.
Facilitation: Assisting individuals to enter or stay in France illegally is also an offense, carrying significant penalties.

This is without looking at the illegal operation of commercial vessels.

 

[Notch7]

That is entirely different to entering the country without a visa or right which has always been an offence.

WRONG

I suggest you go and read the refugee convention, you might learn that entering a country to claim asylum is not illegal

 

[motorbiking]

WRONG

I suggest you go and read the refugee convention, you might learn that entering a country to claim asylum is not illegal

You do realise that you have to actually claim asylum, in order to be protected?

 

[Notch7]

You do realise that you have to actually claim asylum, in order to be protected?

you little liar

you originally posted this:

but you have edited it because you got found out

nasty little liar

 

[Notch7]

they have no legal power to stop them. We've done this before

if Border Force dock in a French port and try and unload a bunch of migrants, the French police will block them..........and UK would have no legal power to stop them


poor Motorbiking your arguments just fall apart like a paper bag in rain

 

[Notch7]

Where the hell is @motorbiking when you need him.

you dont need him, he knows nothing other than right wing grift

If you want the facts dont bother with him, he is thoroughly dishonest

 

[motorbiking]

you little liar

you originally posted this:

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but you have edited it because you got found out

nasty little liar

you might want to retract that allegation when you realise that this part of my post was not edited and is still there:

correct they are illegals. If they come to the UK having lived in France for a period, it would be grounds for refusal.

incorect

they have no legal power to stop them. We've done this before.

correct - they must claim asylum otherwise they are illegals

Nonsense

similar rules, via different laws

Denso seems to have misunderstood the illegal residence laws. Up until 2012, you could be fined and imprisoned in France for residing in France without Legal authority. That is entirely different to entering the country without a visa or right which has always been an offence. The illegal residence law is being reinstated. It was shelved due to an ECJ ruling.

Entering or staying in France without the required visa or right to reside is considered an immigration offense with potential penalties including imprisonment and fines, with specific provisions outlined in the “Code of Entry and Residence of Foreigners and the Right to Asylum” (translated from French) and of course the Schengen Convention.

https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/texte_lc/LEGITEXT000006070158/

France's immigration offences related to illegal entry and stay

Illegal Entry and Stay under CESEDA: Article L. 621-1 of CESEDA can lead to up to one year of imprisonment* and a fine of €3,750 for entering or staying in France in violation of visa regulations or the authorized period of stay. (Case law in the ECJ said they should be deported not imprisoned https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2008/115/oj/eng)

Schengen Convention Violations: Article L. 621-2 of CESEDA, referencing the Schengen Convention, also specifies a penalty of up to one year imprisonment and a €3,750 fine for entry in violation of specific articles of the Convention.

Subtraction/Attempted Removal: Remaining on French territory beyond the authorized period, even if initially granted entry with a visa, is an offense.
Facilitation: Assisting individuals to enter or stay in France illegally is also an offense, carrying significant penalties.

This is without looking at the illegal operation of commercial vessels.

I await your apology.

 

[motorbiking]

its gone quiet

The edit was to remove a duplicate reference and correct a spelling mistake.