RCBO query

[ebee]

Eeh Bah Gum!
"a matter of minutes" could mean 1 to 60 otherwise it becomes a matter of hours, which in turn could be 1 to 24, which in turn could be 1 to 7 etc etc etc as it would make sense to keep within the relevant units usually,

Therefore 1 to 60 mins.

Often people by inference often have a tendency to mean "a few of such" so we might consider 1 to 10 or 10 to 20 perhaps to be most relevant.

It is not fixed to actually mean these ranges though.

In the context used in this topic it could be helpful to nail it down to a smaller spread of the likely range envisaged to compare the relevant possible scenario to agree/disagree upon.

I suspect the question of trying to nail it down to approx how many minutes sort of thing was actually asked in order to compare whether to agree/disagree to some extent at least, in other words just a bit of clarification.

One problem, I suspect, with the written word as opposed to the spoken word, is the ability to cause offence and likewise the ability to become offended when indeed no offence was actually intended.
Yes it can and does happen a lot with the spoken word at times but in my opinion there is more chance that it actually happens with the written word though. Just my humble opinion of likelihoods and others opinions may differ.

I reckon that happened then others took sides and then it got to a "Handbags at dawn" kind of scenario.
A storm in a teacup if like.

So gentlemen, can we please all shake hands and continue this discussion and many others without recriminations please ?

 

[morqthana]

Eeh Bah Gum!
"a matter of minutes" could mean 1 to 60 otherwise it becomes a matter of hours, which in turn could be 1 to 24, which in turn could be 1 to 7 etc etc etc as it would make sense to keep within the relevant units usually,

Therefore 1 to 60 mins.

Often people by inference often have a tendency to mean "a few of such" so we might consider 1 to 10 or 10 to 20 perhaps to be most relevant.

It is not fixed to actually mean these ranges though.

All true, which is why I asked Harry what he meant.

In the context used in this topic it could be helpful to nail it down to a smaller spread of the likely range envisaged to compare the relevant possible scenario to agree/disagree upon.

Again true - given (AIUI) there's a "curve" along which a breaker will trip not immediately, but after X amps for Y minutes, it becomes very important to know what Y is to see how much of a good/bad idea it is to put a 40A shower on a 32A RCBO.

I suspect the question of trying to nail it down to approx how many minutes sort of thing was actually asked in order to compare whether to agree/disagree to some extent at least, in other words just a bit of clarification.

Again true - I actually would disagree with (one possible example meaning) "The thing about a shower, is that they only run for about 5 minutes."

One problem, I suspect, with the written word as opposed to the spoken word, is the ability to cause offence and likewise the ability to become offended when indeed no offence was actually intended.
Yes it can and does happen a lot with the spoken word at times but in my opinion there is more chance that it actually happens with the written word though. Just my humble opinion of likelihoods and others opinions may differ.

More truth. But truth works in many directions. Truth requires looking at written words as they are written. It requires not deciding to be offended by words which are not offensive.

I reckon that happened then others took sides and then it got to a "Handbags at dawn" kind of scenario.

And that was the real problem here. Harry, as the person actually replied to, may have been (god knows why) offended by my posts.

But the others who took his side? They looked at these sentences:

• As in a time you'd more likely state in minutes than fractions of an hour? Yes.
  As in only a few minutes? No.
• You said "The thing about a shower, is that they only run for a matter of minutes."
  I asked if you meant a time which would be stated in "minutes" rather than "hours" or fractions of hours, or if you meant just a few minutes.
  If some examples would help, does your "matter of minutes" encompass, say, 20/35/50 minutes, or is it limited to 3/5/10. That sort of thing.
  I didn't think it was that complicated.

and they behaved as if they really were full of words whose meaning they genuinely didn't understand, whose definitions they genuinely didn't know.

They behaved as if the syntax, the grammar, the positioning of nouns, pronouns, verbs etc really were so bizarre, so out of the norm, so counter to the rules of English, that they genuinely couldn't understand what I wrote even if they recognised each individual word.

And FGS let's have some honesty here - those sentences were not like that. They were not gibberish, or unintelligible nonsense.

Yet some people banded together to say they were, and doubled, redoubled down, swerved and ignored when I asked them to show how.

WHY?

So gentlemen, can we please all shake hands and continue this discussion and many others without recriminations please ?

I can't help thinking how much better it would have gone had Harry not posted #34, and then #37, but had gone straight to #54. Or even if he had done #34 & #37 but others had just left it as a matter between me and him.


What I'd like even more would be for this sort of thing to never happen again, but that's going to require some people to honestly answer the question why, to honestly examine what motivates them to join in with criticism which they know is unfair, what makes them think that insults and abuse are OK.