Panorama - damp/mould

[Harry Bloomfield]

Using a building for its purpose and amenity is a fact of life. Telling folk to open all their windows and turn the heating up or not to enter the house when it's raining outside, is as stupid as it is pointless.

That advice is a solution to the misuse of the building - the drying of clothes, boiling pans, plus other activities known to generate lots of moisture in the home. With proper care, none of it is necessary.

Stop posting things about a subject, about which you are clearly clueless.

You are quite clearly the absolutely clueless one!

I agree, some building are naturally damp, but in most cases it is the fault of the occupier.

 

[noseall]

I agree, some building are naturally damp,

'naturally damp', eh?

but in most cases it is the fault of the occupier.

Families generating moisture (just occupying a building and breathing) is a given. The poorest buildings won't even cope with this. You are one of those naive people that say "open all the windows and turn the heating up" as a rehearsed standard response.

You have zero clue about building design and occupancy boyo, you are out of your depth.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

'naturally damp', eh?

All buildings have a natural level of humidity, big ask - but do stop being an idiot.

Families generating moisture (just occupying a building and breathing) is a given. The poorest buildings won't even cope with this. You are one of those naive people that say "open all the windows and turn the heating up" as a rehearsed standard response.

Of course, but the difference is in what is done about the moisture, once generated. Many tenants, will simply do nothing, or even aggravate the situation, by generating massive excessive of internal moisture, in a property. You only need look at where the mould forms, in a property, to understand the cause. Mould on ceilings above cookers, mould on walls and ceilings above radiators, mould on bathroom walls, above showers and baths - all easily avoided, without opening windows, with heating on, but easier to blame the building owner for the problems.

You have zero clue about building design and occupancy boyo, you are out of your depth.

Because in most cases, it's nowt to do with the building.

You have zero clue about building design and occupancy boyo, you are out of your depth.

Your stupidity, is obvious..

You have zero clue about building design and occupancy boyo, you are out of your depth.

Don't boyo me, try studying the subject. FYI, your posts were blocked by me, for their sheer stupidity years ago. I brought you briefly out of the block, to see if you might have learned anything in the meantime. You obviously haven't, so back in block you go - bye, bye!

 

[Mottie]

Take two identical families and place them in a modern full spec' home and a poorly insulated shít hole....blah...blah...blah...

Using a building for its purpose and amenity is a fact of life. Telling folk to open all their windows and turn the heating up or not to enter the house when it's raining outside, is as stupid as it is pointless.

Stop posting things about a subject, about which you are clearly clueless.

So if it’s the fault of the building, every house in the street that was built at the same time to the same spec or even whole estates will have the same mould, yes? I can’t remember any programmes saying that, can you? No, it’s the lifestyle of some renters that cause the mould. I haven’t seen any programmes about owner occupiers with mould. I'd like for these programme makers to knock on the doors either side of these mouldy houses and ask to look around in those houses to see if they suffer the same mould problems. Why don’t they?

 

[noseall]

Of course, but the difference is in what is done about the moisture, once generated. Many tenants, will simply do nothing, or even aggravate the situation, by generating massive excessive of internal moisture, in a property. You only need look at where the mould forms, in a property, to understand the cause. Mould on ceilings above cookers, mould on walls and ceilings above radiators, mould on bathroom walls, above showers and baths - all easily avoided, without opening windows, with heating on, but easier to blame the building owner for the problems.

More ill informed poorly thought out nonsense. A building can be made to be black mould proof. It just needs design, thought and expense throwing at it. Something sadly lacking with letting landlords.
Modern spec' buildings can cope with dozens of occupants. No problem. Clearly you have no clue about buildings, no clue about design and no clue about occupancy.

Stick to gardening boyo.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Why don’t they?

Because they will not generally find any, owner occupiers, take sensible care of their investment - evidenced, on this forum, by those homeowners who do see some evidence of mould appearing.

 

[MNW67]

You have zero clue about building design and occupancy boyo, you are out of your depth.

So what are the basics? All I've heard on TV is that it is about insulation. But there must be more to it than that. What have we learnt about design which makes most modern homes so much better?

 

[noseall]

So what are the basics? All I've heard on TV is that it is about insulation. But there must be more to it than that. What have we learnt about design which makes most modern homes so much better?

Insulation is by far the greatest asset, in fighting black spot mould. I'd say as much as 85%.

 

[MNW67]

Insulation is by far the greatest asset, in fighting black spot mould. I'd say as much as 85%.

Does controlled ventilation play a role?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

So what are the basics? All I've heard on TV is that it is about insulation. But there must be more to it than that. What have we learnt about design which makes most modern homes so much better?

Insulation, and design can only go so far, in making a home resistant to mould. The major part of the problem is the occupants, and their lifestyle, in occupying the building.

Seal the house up tightly, and any moisture generated inside it, has no means of escape - so the only solution is to expel the moisture, and limit the generation.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Does controlled ventilation play a role?

Extraction of moisture, at source, plays an absolutely crucial role. Much more effective than opening windows.

 

[Wayners]

Sorry if this has already posted.

Regarding BBC panorama.

 

[noseall]

Does controlled ventilation play a role?

Yes 15%.

Telling people not to breathe or enter the building wearing wet clothes (raining outside etc) or to cook, is ridiculous.

 

[noseall]

The major part of the problem is the occupants

Without them, what is the point.

 

[Mottie]

On the subject of mould, we have our daughter and her two kittens staying with us at the moment - she's been here 3 weeks while some work is being carried out in her house. Her husband is staying with his mum near to their house to keep an eye in things. She can’t stay there as they have a dog. Anyway, I digress. Prior to coming to us, the kittens had just been spayed and they haven’t been outside yet so we have had to keep all windows closed in case they got out. Mrs Mottie vents our house with fresh air on a daily basis but that has gone by the wayside. You wouldn't believe the amount of condensation she has been removing from windows and walls. I reckon another couple of weeks and we'd have mushrooms growing out of the skirting boards. Based on that, I can see how it doesn’t take long for mould to appear in a house with very little ventilation, more so if you are hanging up washing to dry indoors. Hopefully she'll be going back home this weekend and we can open the windows, put all the ornaments and plants back out and put the Christmas tree up!