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Nonsense, these are federal agents weeding out illegal immigrants, nothing more than that.
Lucy Letby case - Evidence discussion thread
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That is purely sensationalism. We need a similar system in the UK. We could learn a lot from ICE in the USA.
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More details on the decision not to prosecute (and back on topic) 
Since the two trials, the prosecution evidence and police handling of the case have faced criticism from an unprecedentedly large number of distinguished British and international medical experts. Led by the Canadian neonatologist, Dr Shoo Lee – who says again in the feature-length Netflix documentary that his research was misused to convict the nurse – many of the experts are convinced Letby is innocent, the victim of a catastrophic miscarriage of justice.
The film leaves out context necessary to understand how exceptional the theories Evans then produced were about how the babies died. There had been a coroner’s process: postmortems, an inquest and internal reviews at the hospital; an inspection by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health; and reviews by external consultants. None found any evidence that any baby had suffered any deliberate harm. Evans looked at the same medical evidence and quickly decided differently.
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Without context the truth of the matter can be distorted to suit any narrative the prosecution wishes to present in order to win this case...at the expense of justice.
The film leaves out context necessary to understand how exceptional the theories Evans then produced were about how the babies died. There had been a coroner’s process: postmortems, an inquest and internal reviews at the hospital; an inspection by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health; and reviews by external consultants. None found any evidence that any baby had suffered any deliberate harm. Evans looked at the same medical evidence and quickly decided differently.
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Without context the truth of the matter can be distorted to suit any narrative the prosecution wishes to present in order to win this case...at the expense of justice.
Was the woman they shot an illegal immigrant.
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There was some interesting new angles in the new Netflix documentary. For the first time I saw Letby explain her state of mind with her so called confession notes. It was also the first time that I'd seen a senior judge question if Dewi Evans was fit to be an expert witness. Lastly, having referred to the research by Dr Shoo Lee, Evans argues it's nothing more than opinions.
In my mind the morbid curiosity and collection of shift notes is really all I'm left with. Perhaps she was frightened of losing her job if she said she took copies because she feared being scapegoated. But then I am giving her excuses she has not put forward.
In my mind the morbid curiosity and collection of shift notes is really all I'm left with. Perhaps she was frightened of losing her job if she said she took copies because she feared being scapegoated. But then I am giving her excuses she has not put forward.
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There has been a deadly bacterium found at the Countess of Chester hospital.
Lucy Letby murder victim 'had deadly bug in lung' after nurse had complained about 'overflowing sewage' at hospital https://share.google/oTULEuWUKGueNNBjR
There have also been severe staff shortages at the baby unit at the CoCH, and staff working there with cold and flu symptoms when they should have been off. One nurse was witnessed coughing and sneezing and putting her hands into an incubator. It was witnessed by a doctor, who did nothing about it.
The baby unit at the Chester hospital was built in 1974 and is now cramped and outdated.
I'm hopeful the truth will eventually out and investigations are made into this deadly bacterium.
What I don't understand about failings of the NHS where deaths occur is that there never seems to be any learning. No change of procedure to ensure the same thing does not happen.
If each NHS death were treated like a plane crash, there would be nationwide changes made to procedures and staff retraining to prevent the same thing happening again.
Take sepsis. Many people have died, but sepsis training is still not administered nationwide. Why not??
What worries me is that people who have genuine concerns about their relatives are going into hospitals and are getting fobbed off, that it isn't sepsis or meningitis or whatever. You need, as ever, to be persistent, insistent, in order to get the attention you desperately need.
Lucy Letby murder victim 'had deadly bug in lung' after nurse had complained about 'overflowing sewage' at hospital https://share.google/oTULEuWUKGueNNBjR
There have also been severe staff shortages at the baby unit at the CoCH, and staff working there with cold and flu symptoms when they should have been off. One nurse was witnessed coughing and sneezing and putting her hands into an incubator. It was witnessed by a doctor, who did nothing about it.
The baby unit at the Chester hospital was built in 1974 and is now cramped and outdated.
I'm hopeful the truth will eventually out and investigations are made into this deadly bacterium.
What I don't understand about failings of the NHS where deaths occur is that there never seems to be any learning. No change of procedure to ensure the same thing does not happen.
If each NHS death were treated like a plane crash, there would be nationwide changes made to procedures and staff retraining to prevent the same thing happening again.
Take sepsis. Many people have died, but sepsis training is still not administered nationwide. Why not??
What worries me is that people who have genuine concerns about their relatives are going into hospitals and are getting fobbed off, that it isn't sepsis or meningitis or whatever. You need, as ever, to be persistent, insistent, in order to get the attention you desperately need.
Dr Lee has provided an explanation why Evans got the diagnosis wrong - he didn’t understand, and misapplied, Lee’s research. That’s more than a difference of opinion.
That’s the only slightly odd thing, professionals take home confidential papers all the time, but she took copies and researched the families. But eccentricity or OCD does not prove murder. And there was no direct evidence or motive. If she was an actress she was bloody good. I can’t bring myself to believe that someone who wanted to say goodbye to her cats when arrested is a psychopathic killer. Psychos usually practice on their cats first.
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hashtag burn.
Perhaps she thought she was going to be fitted up and thought she needed copies of her notes.
One of the experts was under investigation for fitness to practice but was allowed to give evidence as the hearing hadn't reached a conclusion at the time of the trial. The tribunal considered the allegations about Hindmarsh “may have the potential to impact on his ability to act as an expert witness”.
His evidence was as an expert on insulin levels.
His evidence was as an expert on insulin levels.
Interestingly...
In the original reporting of this...
"The Crown Prosecution Service told the defence it would oppose any attempt to inform the jury of the GMC investigation, on the basis that the allegations had not reached a final adjudication"
"Ultimately the GMC investigation was never concluded, because Hindmarsh removed himself from the GMC register, a process known as “voluntary erasure”. That effectively ended the investigation, and there was no regulatory finding against him"
Now the story has changed...
"Cheshire police and CPS say they were not told about inquiry into Prof Peter Hindmarsh before he gave evidence at nurse’s trial"
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This conviction has to be allowed to go to an appeal!
That is the sensible outcome of the current review
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Similar to plod when they are found doing wrong. They resign to protect their pensions and stop any investigation.
