Johnson Is So Useless

EFLImpudence · 21 Jan 2021

jonbey said:
Well, you are free to believe that. But explain this - why have death rate been lower in countries with more severe lockdowns?

It hasn't in a lot of places - Spain, Peru for example.

There is, of course, the reverse question - places with less severe lockdown with lower death rate - e.g. Japan.

(I bet you chose to ignore that question)

Sorry.

durhamplumber · 21 Jan 2021

ReganAndCarter said:
Jeez. The drivel you write. Yes, nurses, cleaners, radiologists, physiotherapists, receptionists, GPs, healthcare assistants, midwives, ENT specialists, porters, osteopaths - all lying charlatans.

Thought so .steppin out for bit more titter

durhamplumber · 21 Jan 2021

jonbey said:
Sorry, you were disputing the idea of 4000 people dying in a day, why change to subject now?

Obviously seasonal flu deaths are down. The people most likely to catch and then die have been vaccinated and have been in isolation for 10 months. How would they catch it?

Nout is obvious to Regan...

EFLImpudence · 21 Jan 2021

What about places where there has been NO lockdown?

I don't mean countries but places in the UK - like supermarkets.
Are the figures for supermarket workers ten times the national average?

Did everyone who has died from covid catch it in a supermarket or similar place?

ReganAndCarter · 21 Jan 2021

jonbey said:
Sorry, you were disputing the idea of 4000 people dying in a day, why change to subject now?

Obviously seasonal flu deaths are down. The people most likely to catch and then die have been vaccinated and have been in isolation for 10 months. How would they catch it?

Because the seasonal flu deaths are suspiciously low and the Covid deaths are suspiciously high. Many of the Covid stats would have just been people who died from something else while testing positive for Covid.

JP_ · 21 Jan 2021

ReganAndCarter said:
flu deaths are suspiciously low and the Covid deaths are suspiciously high

There's nothing suspicious about it, it has been explained, do your own research.

OK, explain this red line - what has caused so many more people to die in the last year, if it was not the global pandemic?:

ReganAndCarter · 21 Jan 2021

That peak was 10 months ago. Admit there was an anomaly there, maybe even many Covid deaths, but flattened out since. Figures recently aren't much higher than a normal winter.

JP_ · 21 Jan 2021

EFLImpudence said:
What about places where there has been NO lockdown?

I don't mean countries but places in the UK - like supermarkets.
Are the figures for supermarket workers ten times the national average?

Did everyone who has died from covid catch it in a supermarket or similar place?

NO lockdown? Do you see many elderly people in supermarkets? Did you miss the different opening times for elderly and care workers?
Did you miss the memo about masks, sanitiser, distancing and screens? Are you really suggesting that nothing has changed?

But supermarket workers are dying, that cannot be disputed. Here's a few that have been reported. Not everybody gets in the papers.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/two-supermarket-workers-die-amid-23286783

https://www.itv.com/news/central/20...et-worker-who-died-after-contracting-covid-19

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/tesco-extra-cardiff-gabalfa-coronavirus-19666611

JP_ · 21 Jan 2021

ReganAndCarter said:
That peak was 10 months ago. Admit there was an anomaly there, maybe even many Covid deaths, but flattened out since. Figures recently aren't much higher than a normal winter.

Could you share those figures? I didn't think winter death figures would be release until after winter ...

Lower · 21 Jan 2021

Bobby Dazzler said:
I disagree, if the measures are restrictive and strict enough the pandemic can be beaten in a matter of weeks or months. As it has been in other countries.

But the point is how long did it take to keep at bay, those diseases with a vaccine?
They were by and large (with the exception of flu which requires an annual vaccine), diseases not viruses, which we know, mutate.
Can we, will we be sufficiently patient to persist with the other partly applied measures until eventually the vaccine does its job?
And is it a guarantee that the vaccine will keep the virus at bay?

The other countries you refer to were either significantly smaller by population, significantly larger by area or have disturbingly controlling governmental regimes. I'd be interested to know how you think you could beat it in a matter of weeks in this country.

Flu is a virus and mutates year on year. It kills lots of vulnerable people and we vaccinate accordingly, although flu does not seem to be as infectious or as dangerous as Covid.

There is no guarantee that the vaccine will keep the virus at bay, there is never any guarantee of anything. But the strong likelihood is that it will.

Are you anti-vax?

EFLImpudence · 21 Jan 2021

jonbey said:
NO lockdown? Do you see many elderly people in supermarkets?

Yes.

Did you miss the different opening times for elderly and care workers?
Did you miss the memo about masks, sanitiser, distancing and screens? Are you really suggesting that nothing has changed?

No, but you said it might have been ten times worse without lockdown.

Are you now saying it is the masks, sanitiser, distancing and screens that were effective and the so-called lockdown had no effect?

But supermarket workers are dying, that cannot be disputed. Here's a few that have been reported. Not everybody gets in the papers.

Ten times as many ???

JP_ · 21 Jan 2021

EFLImpudence said:
Are you now saying it is the masks, sanitiser, distancing and screens that were effective and the so-called lockdown had no effect?

Did anybody hear me say that?

Going to have to stop following this thread. No longer giving up time talking to people deniers.

Brigadier · 21 Jan 2021

jonbey said:
In 1918, British male life expectancy was 55, American male life expectancy was about 50. In less developed parts of the world it was only 30 years.

So you cannot compare to today's populations - over 40's were not immune to Spanish Flu, they were mostly already dead.

You clearly have no clue about what "average life expectancy" actually means.

Brigadier · 21 Jan 2021

Bobby Dazzler said:
I disagree, if the measures are restrictive and strict enough the pandemic can be beaten in a matter of weeks or months. As it has been in other countries.

Presuming :

Seven billion people adhere faithfully to the restrictions (can't / won't happen : carers, healthcare, food production and distribution, essential utilities, security, to name but a few) ;
The only hosts are humans.

Not gonna happen in reality.

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