32A Industrial socket for cooker?

[chivers67]

Isn't that product three phase?


Edit (sorry inbetween posts above...)

 

[chivers67]

So how would I terminate a larger load for a domestic 230V live supply?

Depends how high your load is but will mean Running a larger cable and a larger MCB. Also why on Earth are you wanting to plug in some kind of Mixer into a kitchen circuit

 

[DIYbot2]

The kitchen isn’t far from where I want to run it and I wasn’t currently wanting to run new circuits from the fuse board as I’d have to chop through quite a bit of fairly new work to run them. Opening the kitchen door when it needs to be run seems feasible and the circuit already installed should be up to the load

 

[morqthana]

It is a 32amp rated socket on a 40 MCB. Need we say more?

You could try saying what MCBs are allowed/commonly found for normal 3-pin socket circuits, and what those sockets are rated at.

 

[morqthana]

Hi, I have a direct wired cooker on a 40A type B MCD. Is it ok to switch out the direct wire for a 32A 3-pin industrial socket (so the cooker could be unplugged and something else plugged in from time to time in a domestic installation?

I had one once, not for plugging other stuff in but because we had a free-standing cooker we wanted to be able to move out for cleaning. The gas connection was a hose into a bayonet connector, so that came off, and it made sense for the electrical connection to do the same.

The sky did not fall in, the house did not catch fire, and I never noticed any dead bodies.

 

[bsr]

I would terminate the cooker circuit in a junction box using these Wago connectors. Then when you need to swap between mixer and cooker you isolate the circuit at the CU and swap.

Wago 221 3 Way Compact Lever Connectors

A three-way compact splicing connector with handy lever for quick and hassle-free installations. Use this pack of reusable Wago 221 connectors for solid, stranded and flexible cables.These connectors couldn’t be easier to use – simply pull the lever up, insert a stripped conductor and push the...

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If you're going to be doing this regularly then maybe also fit an isolator at the cooker point:

British General CPRSD440 40A 4-Pole Rotary Isolator Switch NO - Screwfix

Order online at Screwfix.com. 4-pole rotary isolator switch disconnector used to switch power to commercial / light industrial applications. Can be used as an emergency stop and can be locked in the off position using a padlock (not supplied). Switch is interlocked with the lid to prevent...

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[JohnW2]

I would terminate the cooker circuit in a junction box using these Wago connectors. Then when you need to swap between mixer and cooker you isolate the circuit at the CU and swap. ...

One obviously could do that, but I would think it would represent the antithesis of 'convenience' !

If you're going to be doing this regularly then maybe also fit an isolator at the cooker point:

One could also do that - but why are you suggesting a 4-pole isolator?

Kind Regards, John

 

[morqthana]

A normal 3 pin socket is .. limited to that by a fuse in it’s plug.

Sure about that?

A 32 amp industrial socket has no fuse in its plug.

So your concern about a "32amp rated socket on a 40 MCB" - is it overloads or faults?

 

[JohnW2]

Yes and yes.

Your second 'yes' does not answer the question as toi whether your concern is about overload currents or fault currents.

The MC exists only to protect the cables, not accessories. I presume you would be 'happy' with a socket 'rated at 32A' to be protected by a 32A MCB, but such an MCB would allow about 36A to flow indefinitely or about 46A to flow for an hour, without tripping.

Furthermore, for what it's worth, I'm sure that, in practice, a "32A socket" could carry a lot more than 32A without coming to any harm. There are some issues, but I wouldn't personally loose any sleep over this particular one.

Kind Regards, John

 

[morqthana]

So your concern about a "32amp rated socket on a 40 MCB" - is it overloads or faults?

Yes and yes.

Please explain how the cooker will overload the circuit.

Please explain how a 40A MCB will not provide fault protection.

 

[DIYbot2]

Thanks all, but do I understand that it’s not technically allowed because this would be a non-shuttered socket?

 

[DIYbot2]

Also, would there be any issues replacing the 40A type B MCD with a type D MCD (potentially a 32A one)?

 

[conny]

I'm a bit concerned over your terminology.
You keep calling them MCD, whereas, others have correctly termed them MCB.
How much electrical experience do you actually have?

 

[morqthana]

Also, would there be any issues replacing the 40A type B MCD with a type D MCD (potentially a 32A one)?

Yes, and why on earth would you want to?

 

[mattylad]

All pointless when the thing he wants to plug into the socket is 3 phase and will not work.

Sort that issue out first, then consider swapping the MCB and fitting a socket (which would look ugly in a domestic situation).