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The changes in immigration policy of late has encouraged racism and brexit has thrown in other groups of people.

One thing people tend to forget about Rule Britannia is that it very probably did more than any other country to end slavery even policing it after it was abolished.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/slavery/pdf/britain-and-the-trade.pdf

It wasn't the only country involved as well.

Exploiting the empire / common wealth. In real terms that is no different to what goes on these days. For instance due to covid clothing companies cancelled a couple of million quids worth of orders from Bangladesh recently. Two ways of looking at that sort of thing - exploitation as wages are low but provides income and jobs. There are loads of things that fall into this category even Fair Trade. Better price paid - yes but only within limits.

Poor old Rhodes has hit the headlines again. Some of the protesters are there on the Rhodes scholarship and say that is not buying us off. All are probably wearing clothes from exploited areas and use stuff daily that is the same. Like many who made lots of money he also did some good. Famous saying " The good men do is buried with their bones. The evil lives long after". Making money is often seen as evil. I'm inclined to blame eduction and lack of balance for all sorts of similar problems. People are bought up to believe in all sorts of things and it often lacks perspective. Reminds me of a time I spent working in Dublin and heard about all the bad things Gt Britain had done. Nigh on 200years ago and when looked into not as simple as it was seen.

Another - climate change and carbon emissions. If our populations real carbon footprint is looked at due to what we buy and use that produced within the UK is a drop in the ocean. A tiny one. Cutting ours here doesn't make a significant difference.
 
Nobody said he did.

that is a strawman: nobody is arguing that what Colston did was illegal.

What we are saying is that having a statue of him with a plaque saying:
“Erected by citizens of Bristol as a memorial of one of the most virtuous and wise sons of their city.”
Gives the impression of venerating slavery

does not reflect the part Colston played in the slave trade, a part which many find offensive in the UK in 2020.

At the time slavery was legal, it was a very different time then, wrongly or rightly by today's standards has no standing because he doesn't and never did live in the current time.

The flip side is that he did an awful lot to improve his city for the benefit of those who didn't have as much as him.

Let's not get he'll bent on changing the past, you can't it's impossible and as far as I'm aware no one has invented a time machine as yet. History should be left in the past, and lessons should be learnt from it to improve the future.

This is where the logic of the current situation seems to have a severe lack of meaning, with very little thought behind it other than gives the knuckle dragging LWR/white apologists an opportunity for a fight and destruction of property.

Also absolutely no one has said racism is acceptable, no one has said slavery is acceptable. Slavery was abolished 100's of years ago you can't keep bringing it up as reason to be ****ed at the whites.

White people aren't oppressing blacks in the modern world, funny how other minorities also don't feel whites are oppressing them.
 
Apparently those that built The Great Pyramids were skilled and treated quite well. Some of the stuff The Nazis and the Japs had built - not so.

You need to read a bit more mitch.
That is true, the only references the pyramids being built by Israelite slaves are in the Bible.
The Egyptians kept meticulous records, a lot of which still survive. There isn't a single reference to the Israelites being in Egypt at any time.
 
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Let's not get he'll bent on changing the past, ...
Strawman argument. No-one is contemplating changing history.
Re-writing history is different. It can be re-written in a more balanced way.
"History is written by the victors"
Imagine modern history was written by the Nazis.

...This is where the logic of the current situation seems to have a severe lack of meaning, with very little thought behind it other than gives the knuckle dragging LWR/white apologists an opportunity for a fight and destruction of property.
There's no need to descend into rudeness.
It says more about you than it does about anyone else. It indicates that your emotions have overtaken your reasoning.


...White people aren't oppressing blacks in the modern world, funny how other minorities also don't feel whites are oppressing them.
You obviously haven't discussed this with any BAME people.
Do you remember the allegations of antisemitism recently?
Do you remember Priti Patel's comments in parliament only the other day, when she explained how she had been racially abused, by other kids in the playground?
Where do you think these children learned to be racially prejudiced? From their parents and their peers of course.
Why do you think their parents and their peers wanted to perpetuate racism?
 
Latest...All Gladstone statues removed...Connections to slavery...Who was monarch then? Pull those statues down.
 
There's no need to descend into rudeness.
It says more about you than it does about anyone else. It indicates that your emotions have overtaken your reasoning.



You obviously haven't discussed this with any BAME people.
Do you remember Priti Patel's comments in parliament only the other day, when she explained how she had been racially abused, by other kids in the playground?
Where do you think these children learned to be racially prejudiced? From their parents and their peers of course.
Why do you think their parents and their peers wanted to perpetuate racism?

I'll go in order to your points as I'm on my phone.

Firstly I was called a knuckle dragging RWR by one of your brethren in another post the other day, so to start shaming me for using the same words is rather quite rediculous.

White people are not oppressing anyone. Blacks have the same rights as us, when people are born into poverty chances are they will stay in poverty, this is the same as whites and blacks.

Anyone can be discriminated against for various reasons, maybe people don't like their attitude, maybe they look funny, a fat white person has less chance of being offered a job than a good looking slim white person, there is prejudice everywhere. The automatic assumption is that if you are of colour then that must be the reason, nothing to do with anything else.

My point about Priti Patel was that she was being told she didn't understand what it's like by a lefty black labour MP, the black MP believes that it's only blacks affected by racism.

Priti Patel went to school a long time ago and things have moved on a fair bit since then and People as a rule are more accepting.

Bullying is still very much in the school playground and can be for any number of reasons, many things can make a child different and be picked on, one of these things is skin colour, another is fat or skinny, wear glasses or not, be intelligent or not.

What does the BAME community expect to achieve after these riots? They seem to be asking for a lot of nothing.

Maybe they should look a bit closer to home stop getting into gangs, make better choices, stop raising kids in broken homes?
 
Liverpool was built on slavery money,,,do many of the buildings need to be torn down? Or just changing the names,and Erasing Gladstone from the history books enough???
 
I'll go in order to your points as I'm on my phone.

Firstly I was called a knuckle dragging RWR by one of your brethren in another post the other day, so to start shaming me for using the same words is rather quite rediculous.

White people are not oppressing anyone. Blacks have the same rights as us, when people are born into poverty chances are they will stay in poverty, this is the same as whites and blacks.

Anyone can be discriminated against for various reasons, maybe people don't like their attitude, maybe they look funny, a fat white person has less chance of being offered a job than a good looking slim white person, there is prejudice everywhere. The automatic assumption is that if you are of colour then that must be the reason, nothing to do with anything else.

My point about Priti Patel was that she was being told she didn't understand what it's like by a lefty black labour MP, the black MP believes that it's only blacks affected by racism.

Priti Patel went to school a long time ago and things have moved on a fair bit since then and People as a rule are more accepting.

Bullying is still very much in the school playground and can be for any number of reasons, many things can make a child different and be picked on, one of these things is skin colour, another is fat or skinny, wear glasses or not, be intelligent or not.

What does the BAME community expect to achieve after these riots? They seem to be asking for a lot of nothing.

Maybe they should look a bit closer to home stop getting into gangs, make better choices, stop raising kids in broken homes?
Good points,v well made.
 
At the time slavery was legal, it was a very different time then, wrongly or rightly by today's standards has no standing because he doesn't and never did live in the current time.

The flip side is that he did an awful lot to improve his city for the benefit of those who didn't have as much as him.

Let's not get he'll bent on changing the past, you can't it's impossible and as far as I'm aware no one has invented a time machine as yet. History should be left in the past, and lessons should be learnt from it to improve the future.

This is where the logic of the current situation seems to have a severe lack of meaning, with very little thought behind it other than gives the knuckle dragging LWR/white apologists an opportunity for a fight and destruction of property.

Also absolutely no one has said racism is acceptable, no one has said slavery is acceptable. Slavery was abolished 100's of years ago you can't keep bringing it up as reason to be ****ed at the whites.

White people aren't oppressing blacks in the modern world, funny how other minorities also don't feel whites are oppressing them.
Good points well made..If our country is rich because of slavery,then all people in this country have benefited from the wealth.Not just whites,
 
Burn down most of the infrastructure in The West Indies,,,,all slave related.
 
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