All dogs are cats and black is white

[Odds]

Some like to be pìssed on, and some mothers do have em.

you said it.

In these dreams you have of being a lampost are there any cigars, bananas or short swords?

 

[blup]

I’m fairly sure the democratically elected representatives of the people voted the bill through and those who call it a move towards fascism are now calling on the undemocratically elected lords to do something about it.

The undemocratically elected Lords are the more sensible chamber in the houses of parliament. Like the unelected judges, they are not constrained by the daily fail. I don't remember a referendum on whether all dogs should be classified as cats. Or a referendum on whether the DUP should give up governing for two years. Or (at least initially until the supreme court put them right) an act of parliament putting the referendum into law.

 

[SirGalahad]

The undemocratically elected Lords are the more sensible chamber in the houses of parliament. Like the unelected judges, they are not constrained by the daily fail. I don't remember a referendum on whether all dogs should be classified as cats. Or a referendum on whether the DUP should give up governing for two years. Or (at least initially until the supreme court put them right) an act of parliament putting the referendum into law.

Hitler came to power legally so everything is kosher.

Motorbiking and his ilk remind me of the following

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller

 

[SirGalahad]

Of course the bill does nothing of the sort.

Still waiting.

 

[motorbiking]

Hitler came to power legally so everything is kosher.

Motorbiking and his ilk remind me of the following

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller

It’s all so unjust when the democratic process comes up with a plan you don’t like.

It’s beyond stupid to argue we live in a fascist dictatorship because the government is trying to do something that in fact at a broad level has a lot of public support. People want to reduce illegal immigration and not by simply making it legal.

 

[Odds]

More than 30,000 asylum seekers are on bail and under the threat of deportation from the UK to Rwanda, the Home Office has disclosed, as James Cleverly insisted that the total backlog of 94,000 cases should instead be referred to as a queue.

A queue. Don't you just love it when the government changes everything with a redesignation, a fresh coat of paint and a brand new spokeperson.

 

[Notch7]

Of course the bill does nothing of the sort.

The bill deems Rwanda to be a safe country
Is Rwanda a safe country?
A = no


Conservatives are putting a bill through parliament stating black is white.

 

[motorbiking]

Did you read it?

its here if you want to

https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/53802/documents/4312

 

[Notch7]

It’s all so unjust when the democratic process comes up with a plan you don’t like

What democratic process?

You mean this one:
1) we vote in governments based on a manifesto
2) the government uses the democratic process to make new laws
3) governments have to obey those laws
4) Supreme Court ruled Rwanda wasn’t safe
5) Conservative government is putting through a bill to ignore 4)

Therefore Conservative government is trying to ignore a ruling by the courts.

The Conservative government is trying to take control of the courts and make the executive the ultimate power answerable to nobody.


What do you call it when you have a group of people answerable to nobody: that’s called a dictatorship.

 

[Notch7]

Did you read it?

its here if you want to

https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/53802/documents/4312

You said: “Of course the bill does nothing of the sort”

Either you mean:
1) the bill is not claiming Rwanda is a safe country

Or

2) or you believe Rwanda is a safe country

Which is it?




Here is a quote direct from the government, I find it hard to believe you claim it doesn’t mean what it literally states here:

“The Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill, introduced on 7 December 2023, provides Parliament with the opportunity to set out the conclusion that Rwanda is safe in primary legislation. Once the treaty is ratified and the bill passed, we can begin to operationalise the Partnership.”

Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill: policy statement (accessible)

www.gov.uk

 

[motorbiking]

What democratic process?

You mean this one:
1) we vote in governments based on a manifesto
2) the government uses the democratic process to make new laws
3) governments have to obey those laws
4) Supreme Court ruled Rwanda wasn’t safe
5) Conservative government is putting through a bill to ignore 4)

Therefore Conservative government is trying to ignore a ruling by the courts.

The Conservative government is trying to take control of the courts and make the executive the ultimate power answerable to nobody.


What do you call it when you have a group of people answerable to nobody: that’s called a dictatorship.

They answer to the electorate. We get to vote.

they are following step 2 & 3. Judges don't make law

Previous courts have ruled Rwanda safe a higher court explored problems with Rwanda's refugee system. The treaty addresses these, the Bill states the criteria and closes the issues.

People who don't like it say it's a fascist law claiming dogs are cats. it does nothing of the sort. It simply addresses the remaining objections.

 

[transam]

Like all
Countries in Africa Rwanda is a civilised safe country
Rule of law prevails
Human rights
Honest / no corruption

It’s run by Africans who set an example to world with ref to democracy

 

[Notch7]

They answer to the electorate. We get to vote

It wasn’t in the 2019 manifesto, nobody voted for it

they are following step 2 & 3. Judges don't make law

A totally bullsh1t answer

The Supreme Court ruled using current law which has been created through the democratic process

In a democracy government must be subject to the rule of law.

Judges don't make law

Strawman argument.

Judges reach judgements based on the law

Governments must follow the rule of law.

Previous courts have ruled Rwanda safe

British courts have never rule Rwanda safe

People who don't like it say it's a fascist law claiming dogs are cats. it does nothing of the sort. It simply addresses the remaining objections

Rwanda is NOT a safe country

U.K. govt is pushing through a bill that says “Rwanda is a safe country”

The Tory government are claiming cats are dogs.

Seriously MBK how far down the rabbit hole are you prepared to go??

 

[transam]

Rwanda is a safe country it’s in Africa

 

[motorbiking]

It wasn’t in the 2019 manifesto, nobody voted for it



A totally bullsh1t answer

The Supreme Court ruled using current law which has been created through the democratic process

In a democracy government must be subject to the rule of law.


Strawman argument.

Judges reach judgements based on the law

Governments must follow the rule of law.


British courts have never rule Rwanda safe


Rwanda is NOT a safe country

U.K. govt is pushing through a bill that says “Rwanda is a safe country”

The Tory government are claiming cats are dogs.

Seriously MBK how far down the rabbit hole are you prepared to go??

Why don't you read some of the ruling and understand the basis that the Supreme Court ruled the policy unlawful. To be clear I do not support the Rwanda plan, but that doesn't mean I accept all the BS that is being said about it.