Am I the employer? Or the Customer? (Joe90)

[joe-90]

I have this fear that you are one of these people who will want to stand behind the engineer asking him exactly what he is doing at his every move and ticking off the boxes on your check list.

Tony

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

You don't like the customer to look as you don't do anything useful. The stuff most likely to break down is the circuits with water going through them - but you don't touch those do you?

 

[joe-90]

If you are doing such wonderful stuff I'm sure you'll be only too happy for the customer to watch - after all - he/she IS your boss.

 

[45yearsagasman]

If you are doing such wonderful stuff I'm sure you'll be only too happy for the customer to watch - after all - he/she IS your boss.

No he/she is your customer.

 

[joe-90]

The employer pays. The employee is paid.

He who pays the piper....

 

[45yearsagasman]

I mentioned previously about people who post and know F/A about boiler servicing and mentioned no names and lo and behold Joe90 bites! Excellent.Its the same as going into a shop for a particular service and you pay as a customer,you are not the employee.Its just that the service that gas engineers offer comes to your door.

 

[joe-90]

I mentioned previously about people who post and know F/A about boiler servicing and mentioned no names and lo and behold Joe90 bites! Excellent.Its the same as going into a shop for a particular service and you pay as a customer,you are not the employee.Its just that the service that gas engineers offer comes to your door.

Nope. In the eyes of the law the guy at the door is my employee. As my employee I must make sure that I observe a 'duty of care' towards him. If I don't - then as my employee he can sue me.

 

[Tibbot]

In the eyes of the law the guy at the door is my employee.

You're being silly and writing b******s. The person at the door is a customer and it's their home, that's all. An employee is someone on PAYE, you can look it up.

 

[Agile]

Nope. In the eyes of the law the guy at the door is my employee. As my employee I must make sure that I observe a 'duty of care' towards him. If I don't - then as my employee he can sue me.

Can you confirm that you hold employer's liability insurance then?

Will you also give them sick pay if they fall ill?

Or in the case of one engineer at Golder's Green in a Rabbai's house, who had a heart attack and died on his knees in front of the boiler, would you have given his widow a widow's pension?

 

[joe-90]

If an engineer comes to my house and says "I need my steps I'll get them out of the van" and I say "Use mine" - and they collapse and he is injured - then I as his employer am liable (they gave me the wrong ladders). That's why window cleaners have gone 'ladderless' because the home-owner is liable for their safety. Argue all you like - but it's true.

 

[Tibbot]

I as his employer

You could attack him with a meat cleaver. You are still not classed as his employer.

 

[JohnD]

Nope. In the eyes of the law the guy at the door is my employee. As my employee I must make sure that I observe a 'duty of care' towards him. If I don't - then as my employee he can sue me.

No, Joe, you are mistaken. He is a contractor, or the employee of a contractor.

If he was your employee you would, for example, be responsible for ensuring that his income tax and NI were paid, and you could be forced to pay them if they were not.

If he was your employee, you would be responsible for replacing him if he fell ill or went on holiday. As he is a contractor, he or his company is responsible for arranging cover..

If he was an employee, you could tell him how to do his job. As he is a contractor, he is responsible for knowing how to do it.

There are other differences.

 

[bengasman]

I have this fear that you are one of these people who will want to stand behind the engineer asking him exactly what he is doing at his every move and ticking off the boxes on your check list.

Tony

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

You don't like the customer to look as you don't do anything useful. The stuff most likely to break down is the circuits with water going through them - but you don't touch those do you?

Djeesuz, Joe, have you always been this stupid, or did you take classes?

 

[Agile]

I think that you will find that you are liable because you give him faulty equipment to use!

Suppose a BT engineer is fixing your next door's telephone cable and the drop wire from the DP needs to be renewed and you lend him your ladder then will you also think that you employ him?

Come to that, I suppose you also think that you employ My Cameron and for that matter Prince Charles? In that case how about sacking them?

Tony

 

[joe-90]

Nope. In the eyes of the law the guy at the door is my employee. As my employee I must make sure that I observe a 'duty of care' towards him. If I don't - then as my employee he can sue me.

No, Joe, you are mistaken. He is a contractor, or the employee of a contractor.

If he was your employee you would, for example, be responsible for ensuring that his income tax and NI were paid, and you could be forced to pay them if they were not.

If he was your employee, you would be responsible for replacing him if he fell ill or went on holiday. As he is a contractor, he or his company is responsible for arranging cover..

If he was an employee, you could tell him how to do his job. As he is a contractor, he is responsible for knowing how to do it.

There are other differences.

So if I give him the 'wrong ladder' and he dies it's not my fault?

 

[Agile]

I think you have missed the point! We were discussing that you are are NOT the employer of the BT engineer. All you do is lend him a faulty ladder!

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