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Mad scramble in US now to remove Trump's finger from that red button.
 
some crazy footage coming out
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-06/donald-trump-fires-up-protesters-in-washington-as-congress-prepare-to-confirm-biden-victory

BBC news just now, one person talking like it's a military siege, saying that "their defences were not good enough to stop us", people saying they are fighting for their freedom "this is our country", and saying America was built on revolution and conflict. Nutters
. America was built on peaceful immigrants initially!
No it wasn't, the immigrants mostly killed all of the indigenous population and rounded the rst up into internment camps.
 
Some very strange stuff went on, CH police opening barriers to let the protestors through, some posing for selfies with the protestors. And some on here said it was, in difference to the BLM protests, entirely peaceful. The pics, videos coming out and news of 4 dead don't entirely back this up.

Shame it had to lead to this for Trump to eventually say there will be an orderly transition, the word orderly can obviously be thrown out the window cause with only a couple of weeks to go it's been anything but and can't be applied now simply because his back's up against the wall.

I'm not sure if it's all tongue in cheek, however some on here seem to like/support him. Your choice of course. However why anyone would want to support a global leader with a message that's been almost constantly insular, individualist, isolationist and racist goodness only knows.

Very sad to watch footage of the hate-filled rioters in the CH building last night roaring at the camera with rhetoric like 'WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!!! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!' This is the whirlwind Trump and his entourage have stirred up. Of course, when the proverbial hits the fan, he himself, Rudy, Trump Jnr etc are nowhere to be seen. 'I'll be walking with you' aye right ...
 
No it wasn't, the immigrants mostly killed all of the indigenous population and rounded the rst up into internment camps.
There are quite a few countries around the world where this happened and, to this day, the indigenous population face varying levels of resistant for true equality. Laughably, some believe this has been fully achieved and that minorities now need to shut up and get on with it. Me thinks that wouldn't be the view of these people if the proverbial shoe was on the other foot.
 
Lady G when Trump was running for the Republican candidacy - "If we vote him in, he will destroy us"

During his Presidency Lady G was the most pro Trumper going, even supporting all his baseless claims about the election.

Yesterday he was saying it "enough is enough".

The Republicans created Trump and used him to see just how far they could push their agenda. This is the party of the filibuster.
 
America was built on peaceful immigrants initially!

No it wasn't, the immigrants mostly killed all of the indigenous population and rounded the rst up into internment camps.
The first immigrants into America, in the early 1600s, were peaceful people, often seeking religious freedom, but also economic prosperity.
It wasn't until the later 1600s that the genocide of the indigenous people started.

Some scholars argue that "cultural genocide" also called "ethnocide" still continues to this day. Cultural genocide or ethnocide is the process of eliminating the culture of the people by denying the people of that culture to practise its cultural identity. Akin to insistence on integrating into the dominant culture.

Sorry, I'm not resurrecting a previous thread, but only recently we touched on a typical example of Gypsies being denied their opportunity to practise their cultural identity, of travelling in freedom.

Please don't resurrect the arguments. I used this example purely due to a recent discussion, and it came easily to mind as a typical example of denying a cultural practice that is endemic and essential to that cultural group.
 
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Lady G when Trump was running for the Republican candidacy - "If we vote him in, he will destroy us"

During his Presidency Lady G was the most pro Trumper going, even supporting all his baseless claims about the election.

Yesterday he was saying it "enough is enough".

The Republicans created Trump and used him to see just how far they could push their agenda. This is the party of the filibuster.
They undoubtedly used him to push an agenda, however be under no illusion, they didn't 'create' Trump. If you read up on his background and life to date, a Trump presidency was almost destined to end up like this. He very much played his part in all this, he THRIVES on much of it. Shame so many Americans fall for it. Mind you, on a much lesser scale, folk fall for Boris's act of being a nice but slightly dim happy-go-lucky chap.
 
I agree, a politician who refuses to accept the result of a democratic ballot.
Where have we seen that before. ;)
If you are referring to the recent Brexit referendum, it wasn't a democratic ballot. It was a referendum. If you are unaware of the difference I suggest you research "referendums in UK". They are not constitutionally binding.

For example, if there was a referendum on Capital Punishment, I highly suspect that the referendum would result to reinstate capital punishment. But Parliament would not be bound to honour the referendum, which is why they do not bother to hold that referendum on such an issue. It would be pointless.
 
I see that priti patel is now criticising Trump..

Rather ironic coming from someone who is a bully and who promotes a 'culture of fear'!
Criticising, yes, possibly, but given several opportunities on Sky news she skirted round the subject of condemning Trump's rhetoric and actions, in a typical politicians' style.
 
If you are referring to the recent Brexit referendum, it wasn't a democratic ballot. It was a referendum. If you are unaware of the difference I suggest you research "referendums in UK". They are not constitutionally binding.

For example, if there was a referendum on Capital Punishment, I highly suspect that the referendum would result to reinstate capital punishment. But Parliament would not be bound to honour the referendum, which is why they do not bother to hold that referendum on such an issue. It would be pointless.
I am sure you are more savvy with the differences between refs and elections than me...But a UK govt who holds a referendum then does the opposite to the result is not going to be in power long.They do not hold a ref on hanging because they would be honour bound to instigate the result not because the result is pointless.
 
Let's recognise that if there was a smidgeon of opportunity for Trump to deny democracy, he would grasp it with both hands.

Boris has displayed similar tactics in UK, such as sidestepping Parliamentary scrutiny, illegally proroguing Parliament, vilifying the judiciary, blatant lies to the public, etc.
The UK public, and opposition MPs need to be on alert for anymore of his shenanigans. Parliament has now demonstrated its willingness to play along with his shenanigans.
 
Let's recognise that if there was a smidgeon of opportunity for Trump to deny democracy, he would grasp it with both hands.

Boris has displayed similar tactics in UK, such as sidestepping Parliamentary scrutiny, illegally proroguing Parliament, vilifying the judiciary, blatant lies to the public, etc.
The UK public, and opposition MPs need to be on alert for anymore of his shenanigans. Parliament has now demonstrated its willingness to play along with his shenanigans.
Another one using the opportunity to say we are bad as US. .We are not..The remoaners tried every trick in the book to deny the referendum result if you wish to re-visit all that.
 
I am sure you are more savvy with the differences between refs and elections than me...But a UK govt who holds a referendum then does the opposite to the result is not going to be in power long.
I think you must agree that Brexit could mean a whole host of different outcomes, in so far as the degree of separation was never defined.
A government that holds such poorly defined referenda deserves not to be in power.
A government that takes the result of such a poorly defined referendum, and exploits it for their own political ideology deserves not to be in power.
A government that uses shenanigans to deliver its own brand of ideology deserves not to be in power.

But alas, the UK electorate are as easily manipulated as the US electorate.
 
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