Aw diddums this is why they can't get over it

[Himaginn]

Purely and simply, the referendum was only meant as a way of finding out how the voting population felt. It is not legally binding and it is not possible to enforce the result without going through a constitutional process. It is far from guaranteed that the result of the referendum would be put in place even if this process was started.

So you've got nothing to worry about then.

And all to fight for.

 

[blightymam]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8127461.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-sale-of-odd-shaped-fruit-and-vegetables.html

 

[securespark]

any future referendum would be pointless for obvious reasons

Right from the off, its only point was to inform how the voting population felt on the issue. Any future referenda would still do that and therefore would not be pointless.

 

[securespark]

So you've got nothing to worry about then.

Not worried, mitch. Just annoyed that politicians are lying scumbags and the voters fall for it and others cannot think for themselves.

 

[Himaginn]

any future referendum would be pointless for obvious reasons

Right from the off, its only point was to inform how the voting population felt on the issue. Any future referenda would still do that and therefore would not be pointless.

If the will of the voters is not respected, why bother voting?
The turnout would be considerably less next time around.
The expense of the referendum would be ridiculed.

 

[securespark]

If the will of the voters is not respected, why bother voting?
The turnout would be considerably less next time around.
The expense of the referendum would be ridiculed.

Of course it is up to the voter whether they choose to do so or not, as has been shown by the referendum. But the purpose of it is to discover public opinion.

 

[Himaginn]

If the will of the voters is not respected, why bother voting?
The turnout would be considerably less next time around.
The expense of the referendum would be ridiculed.

Of course it is up to the voter whether they choose to do so or not, as has been shown by the referendum. But the purpose of it is to discover public opinion.

I quite agree. But the voters expect the politicians to act accordingly, especially as referendums are only held for major decisions, whether to support, or to influence.
If the voters's opinion is ignored, voters will decide there's little point in voting. This recent referendum would be highlighted as the point when referendums became redundant.

 

[JohnD]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-sale-of-odd-shaped-fruit-and-vegetables.html

And even the anti-EU Telegraph said, back in 2008 "But they can be relaxed if national trading standards authorities give the all clear and the produce is clearly labelled"

So the blame lay with, er, the UK government that we voted for.

Us.

Bernard would have an apoplectic fit if he found out.

Best not to tell him. He wouldn't be able to cope with finding out his anti-EU dream world is false.

 

[bernardgreen]

The proposals would maintain specific marketing standards for: apples, citrus fruit, kiwi fruit, lettuces, peaches and nectarines, pears, strawberries, sweet peppers, table grapes and tomatoes.
But they can be relaxed if national trading standards authorities give the all clear and the produce is clearly labelled

By leaving out the first sentence JohnD removed the context and the reference to the actual specific marketing standards which may be relaxed.

 

[JohnD]

By ignoring the first sentence of the 2008 article, Bernard seeks to falsify the facts.
"The European Commission will today scrap bureaucratic "marketing standards" that set precise measurements for the appearance, weight and size of 26 types of fruit and vegetables - including the Brussels sprout."

I wonder if he stands by his false assertion that it is illegal to sell mis-shapen vegetables.

Better call the cops, Bernard. My god! Carrots too! And potatoes! Leeks! Is there no limit?

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...h-wonky-veg-range-food-waste-fruit-vegetables

http://your.asda.com/news-and-blogs/asda-s-phenomenal-wonky-veg-coming-to-a-store-near-you

http://www.hortweek.com/waitrose-launches-misshapen-vegetables-range/edibles/article/1383796

What sort of person is he?

Even the line he quotes in a vain attempt to bolster his arguments shows him to be wrong.

 

[bernardgreen]

I wonder if Bernard stands by his false assertion that it is illegal to sell mis-shapen vegetables.

Time passes John. It WAS illegal under EU regulation to sell certain types of food to the general public. You seem to have missed the fact that after pressure and ridicule the EU remove those regulations.

At the present time it is legal to sell them. The point you are fighting so strongly againsit that the EU has made some pretty ridiculous rulings that they have had to cancel.

It is the fear of more ill thought out rulings that led to many people voting to leave the EU.

You make a big play about the ( so called ) lies and mis-information that the Brexit used to sway the vote. Just been chatting to a Remainer about it. She is open minded enough to see that there was a lot of lies and mis-information issued by the Remainers to sway the vote in their favour. Her income is mainly from stocks and shares. Due to the Remainers stating as factual that leaving the EU would cause shares to drop sharply and then not recover she voted for Remain. Now she regrets it as the "facts" the Remainers issued to create fear of economic melt downd are being found to be wrong / lies / intentional mis-information.

EDIT . Why is it such great news that supermarkets are now selling wonky veg and fruit, could it be that previously they were not selling wonky fruit and veg. I wonder why they were not selling them. Was it that the public would not buy wonkies having got used to a world were there were no wonkies ( on the supermarket shelves )

 

[JohnD]

It WAS illegal under EU regulation to sell certain types of food to the general public under EU rules.

Not when you posted your claims, it wasn't.

But you didn't know that, did you? And you wouldn't accept it.

Your friend might want to consider that's it bit early to dismiss the advice from the Bank of England, the IMF and all the economists (except eight nutters).

I've noticed that companies, such as Shell, which do their business mostly overseas and in dollars, have seen their price in pounds do well over the last week, as people dump their UK-market companies and move into safe stocks.

Can you see why?

Dollars to the Pound

And you think UK-focussed stocks are doing well?

Debenhams

What do you think has happened to the price of oil (which is priced in Dollars) when you have to pay for it in shrinking pounds?

 

[EFLImpudence]

To be fair, pffft, and/or playing devil's advocate:

The price of the pound and shares has nothing to do with what has happened since the referendum, it is down to speculators gambling with people's futures - which is all that they do.

Watching the results as they came in; the first was a narrow remain; the second a decisive leave.
That is when the pound started to fall. The result obviously could still have gone either way but they did not wait for that.
They chose to sell - perhaps a prearranged agreement but that's illegal isn't it? The state of the country was not on their minds other than their own selfish involvement.

Nothing has actually happened since the leave vote was officially announced - nevertheless ...

 

[EFLImpudence]

Perhaps all that the remain campaign needed to say was that should you vote to leave, the financiers WILL sell the country down the river, but then, they didn't expect to lose.

 

[LastMagicBean]

I'm with Bernard on this one.