Benefits for pensioners vs immigrants

[gasbanni]

Firstly you have this ........questions ..... is it true ? A quick Google search found the second link

It apears to be not that far out, slightly out on the figures but the difference is substantial ..........

https://fullfact.org/immigration/pensioners-or-refugees/


So in the youtube video it's a little bit out, it's seems the real figures are £6,500 compared with £23,000
Obviously both groups get other benefits as well.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Yes, immigrant demonising propaganda is morally corrupt. But we can't stop it but we can point out what it is to people and ask them to question what they see, do their own research and hopefully they can come to the conclusion themselves.

But if that fails, we can ridicule them for not doing any research at all, before posting their immigrant demonising propaganda.

Asylum support
What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You can’t choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support
You’ll get £37.75 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN card) each week. You’ll be able to use the card to get cash from a cash machine.

If you’ve been refused asylum
You’ll be given:

• somewhere to live
• £35.39 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get
Assuming the asylum seeker gets the cash equivalent for somewhere to rent (average rent in UK £920 per month = £11,000) although unlikely they will get that much. They could be asked to live in the NE, and if they refuse they will not be eligible for the cash equivalent.
But accepting the average UK rental,That leaves £12,000 out of the hypothetical £23,000.
Divided by (£37.75 weekly =) £1963 per annum.
£12,000 divided by £1963 = just over 6.
So the figure of £23,000 is based on a family of 6, taking the potential full cash equivalent of somewhere to rent.

This is for a family of two adults and four children, that have just escaped persecution, maybe penniless, have nowhere to live, compared to a single pensioner who is settled, has somewhere to live, maybe own their own home, maybe have other income/pension, other family around them, friends, etc.

Perhaps gasbag would like to compare how many asylum seekers we have, compared to how many pensioners we have?

Obviously not, gasbag does not do his own research! He prefers the immigrant demonising rhetoric from dodgy web sites.
Even his link debunks the claims:

The House of Commons Library said the claim they checked in 2015, which was spread by email, may have originated from a similar message circulated in Australia.
The government there subsequently debunked it, but there have also been similar versions in Canada and India with some details changed.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

This is for a family of two adults and four children, that have just escaped persecution,

The boats are mostly full of young men. Where are all the women? And where are all the children? By children, I don't mean the 6 foot bearded ones, pretending to be children. Why are there never any elderly asylum seekers?

Himmyherring has fallen for the establishment's propaganda, and believes that the swarms are genuine refugees.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The boats are mostly full of young men. Where are all the women? And where are all the children?

In that case they will only be entitled to one person's allowance of £37.75 per week = £1,963 per year, plus appropriate accommodation, not the £23,000 that gasbag claims.
A lot less than a pensioner's £6,500.
Well done for debunking his nonsense.

You think they should find a job and not be reliant on the taxpayer?

the swarms are genuine refugees.

There are rules for allowing immigrants to settle. They must be financially self-supporting, have a job waiting for them or be sponsored by someone who can afford to support them, otherwise they can be deported back to their country of origin, or refused entry.
We are talking about asylum seekers, not economic migrants. But I do not suppose you understand the difference. Gasbag obviously does not.
Even unsuccessful asylum seekers can be deported back to their country of origin.

 

[SirGalahad]

So your comparing the State Pension of one person Vs the theoretical maximum a family could claim.

If these refugees are all fit - what has that got to do with the veracity of their claim.

How many people claim asylum from the UK and how many are actually granted. I bet you will find it's way less than you think.

If these people are economic migrants and not bona fide refugees then are you saying the HO is useless, the same HO run by TM who you are supporting in Brexit.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Now come on lefties! Own up. It will not do!
Who among you think that old people are a burden, smelling of urine and cluttering up hospitals and doctors waiting rooms?

And gasbag laps this stuff up like a radicalised plumber.

 

[Notch7]

We are talking about asylum seekers, not economic migrants. But I do not suppose you understand the difference.

How would you propose authorities prove which group each person may fall into?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

How would you propose authorities prove which group each person may fall into?

You want a "Iwalklikehimamartian" version of Home Office policy?
Ask Mike for a list of his trusted sources.
That will keep him busy for a while.

 

[big-all]

the way it works
you have an income[pension in this case]
based on your income you get help with housing' council tax'dissabillity living' child benefits etc

you get no more than the housing costs often less
you get a set amount per child
the £23.0000 is the benefits cap no one can get more than this so wrong to quote just the pension and the cap as most pensioners will get help and very few will be near the £23.000 cap that applies to all on benefits from whatever source
this is made up mostly from pensioners hard working parents with quite a small percentage going to people not in employment