Boiler left unsafe and leaking fumes after service?

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Hi, I'm just at my partner's (rented) house and was looking to install a Hive system but noticed what looks like an uncapped hole in the flue on her combi boiler (I deal Logic ESP1 35). I can feel air movement, including warm air when the boiler is running and taking a photo looks like it's open to the outside. I'm sure I can smell fumes when the boiler kicks in too. Am I being paranoid or is this wrong? Have added a picture or two, hopefully.

Oh, there is a CO alarm fitted to the ceiling a few feet from the boiler but I've just checked and it appears to be dead!

Thanks,
Ted

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OMG that is soooo dangerous. Lucky escape for you and your missus. Having said that I'd get checked for Carbon Monoxide poisoning if I were you.

To be honest with you it was after having countless such incompetent work done by 'professionals' that I resorted to DIY. Oh the stories I could tell you!

Now I DIY everything (including gas work + boiler service). btw DIY gas work is legal but you're not allowed to give gas advice on this forum.
 
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OMG that is soooo dangerous. Lucky escape for you and your missus. Having said that I'd get checked for Carbon Monoxide poisoning if I were you.

To be honest with you it was after having countless such incompetent work done by 'professionals' that I resorted to DIY. Oh the stories I could tell you!

Now I DIY everything (including gas work + boiler service). btw DIY gas work is legal but you're not allowed to give gas advice on this forum.
I wouldn’t listen to this tool if I were you
 
Gentlemen, I am old enough to not irritate (much) unless I wish to, but often the incompetence is so gross that a blind man with a straitjacket on would be hard pressed to miss it. A brief example. I took a car to an independent tyre shop for a wheel alignment check. They had a all-bells-and-whistles computerised system but sadly not a technician to match. The cradle (for the want of a better name) that is clamped to the front wheel and that bears the laser that is seen by the rear equivalent, is supposed to locate on the rim of the wheel but the operator had sat one of its feet on a clip-on balancing weight rather than the rim itself. This, of course, gave a false datum some three millimetres out from where it should be. As politely as possible I asked if the system would allow for this superimposed misalignment and he grunted as he relocated it on the steel rim. There was a measure of spanner chucking and air-tool kicking but the job was done.

Another: my mother in law's hot water system was down and I had a quick look and concluded that the coil in the cylinder wasn't receiving sufficient volume from the DHW circuit. It was hot going in but cold coming out. As there was a BG contract in place I did no more but watched the BG chap (who turned up in a timely fashion) go through the diagnosis. He concluded that the flow pipe was blocked. I had already noticed that the ingoing pipe was hot but that the outgoing return was stone cold and mentioned this in a casual way. His view was that the heat was being conducted up one storey by the obviously static water held back by his 'blockage' and that this was why it was hot. Mine was that there was a huge airlock leaving the flow pipe with a mere trickle running along the bottom of the pipe accounting for the hot flow. He was about to leave because this 'blockage' was outside the terms of the contract but I could see him thinking as he gathered his gear. He vanished into the roof space and within a minute I heard water flowing and he came back down. It appears that on a previous visit to repair a burst pipe the isolating valve had never been reopened and over months the level in the make up tank had fallen to below the outlet. The rads worked because they still had a full circuit, but the DHW was almost dry.

I may try to be diplomatic in a proper British fashion, but I'm damned if I'm going to let a full-sized cock-up go unmentioned!
You clearly have wayyyy too much free time ,
 
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"Always assume that the professional person, service operative, tradesperson, artisan, or other individual with whom you are dealing is incompetent unless, and until, they demonstrate to the contrary"

It applies to all walks of life from brain surgeons

A surgeon takes twenty years hard study to become a professional,

You are describing the Human Condition, examplified by your own self contradiction above, regarding surgeons.

It applies to All of us, whatever we do, in our trades, professions and personal lives. Customers and service providers alike... Including your good self.

Incompetence can merely be a momentary lapse of concentration; or distraction perhaps!

Can any single one of us honestly say we have never been incompetent in any of the things we have done, professionally or otherwise?

Much progress and discovery has resulted from human error, even through tradegy and heartache.

@TedStriker71 your situation should not have occurred but, thankfully, no damage occurred.
 
Fair comment dilalio, and I confess to having blundered more than once of course. Thankfully to no-one's serious loss. I hope, though, to have learned from the experience. A family member is a consultant surgeon and has regaled me with stories of errors in trauma cases that could have caused a loss of life but for a medic trained in all aspects of medicine prior to specialising noticing the errors. Sadly, modern specialists are given a far less rigorous background in basic medicine before training in a speciality and these inadvertent safety nets are becoming fewer. Education in Britain, unlike in some European countries, has historically favoured arts and regarded engineering and scientific subjects as somehow inferior. We are a nation of soft professionals: law, accountancy, etc., where a plumber/electrician/other technician is destined to be looked down on. This has to change if standards are to improve. There are individual exceptions where people have taken a sincere and intelligent attitude to their work, and these are to be encouraged. There is no place for people who simply take the cash.

This whole argument came about because I shared my personal rather cynical views with my (tongue in cheek) motco's law. Dan was offended and I am sorry about that. T'was nothing personal, obviously. I'll slope off and maintain a polite silence!
 
We all have lapses of concentration, it is inevitable. And because we know we may lapse some of us take steps to prevent ( as far as is possible ) any lapse of concentration or any distraction causing a hazardous situation. The simplest of these steps is a printed check list of items to to be checked before leaving site. This would not be the formal Gas Safe tick box paper work but a checklist for each item on that formal paper work that involves more than one action.

One person has mentioned a song that the engineer sung as he was about to leave. A song that reminded him of the items he had to be sure about. That song is a check list.

Very often training tells the student what to do without fully explaining why it has to be done.
 
DIY gas work is only legal if you can prove competence, the only proof of competence is an in date 'certificate of competence' in ccn1 and the relevant appliance assessment. Don't get this confused with the gas safe register which legally allows you to trade in gas work but is not proof of competence in itself.
 
DIY gas work is only legal if you can prove competence, the only proof of competence is an in date 'certificate of competence' in ccn1 and the relevant appliance assessment.

An assessment of DIY gas work can also show that the work was carried out with due competence.

A certificate proves competence at the time of the assessment(s) necessary to obtain that certificate. The competence that was shown in the assessment may not last for the duration of the certificate's validity.

This is not intended to be an endorsement of DIY gas work.
 
An assessment of DIY gas work can also show that the work was carried out with due competence.

I'm talking legally though. An on the job assessment could prove that the required elements of competence to complete a certain task were known, a post complete assessment can prove nothing about competence at all.
 
the only proof of competence is an in date 'certificate of competence'
If the presence of a certificate proved competence then the OP and his missus would not have carbon monoxide poisoning

In fact the only reason this thread was created was because someone with a certificate proved they were incompetent.
 
, a post complete assessment can prove nothing about competence at all.
The quality of the work, the detail in the documented design and other observations can determine whether or not the work was carried out in a competent manner. If the manner was competent then the person can be deemed competent for that particular installation

then the OP and his missus would not have carbon monoxide poisoning
They don't :rolleyes:

How do you know they do not. Non fatal carbon monoxide poisoning can result in symptoms that can be discounted as a mild illness

Signs and symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning may include:
  • Dull headache.
  • Weakness.
  • Dizziness.
  • Nausea or vomiting.
  • Shortness of breath.
  • Confusion.
  • Blurred vision.
  • Loss of consciousnes
 

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